Speculation: 2020 Entry Draft

[Eyeseeing]

This... the concept of a Laine trade hinges on whether he's willing to sign long term on a deal that fits reasonably within the Jets' salary structure. If so, you sign him and keep him. If not, you trade him sooner rather than later to reshape the core.

Totally this.

You would have to imagine that Cheveldayoff has a pretty darn good idea on Laine’s mindset and if there is any doubt Laine wants to stay long term then you start looking to move him ASAP if they aren’t already doing that.

 

[PhilJets]

 

[PhilJets]

Totally this.

You would have to imagine that Cheveldayoff has a pretty darn good idea on Laine’s mindset and if there is any doubt Laine wants to stay long term then you start looking to move him ASAP if they aren’t already doing that.

Most probably, it will depend on who is the top line on the right wing this coming year.
Laine or Wheeler.

It will be on Maurice hand, if he thinks Wheeler is better than Laine.

Should be
Ehlers Schiefele Laine
Connor xxx Wheelers 《《《《 they had 2 years to carry the team in the playoff...
Now give ESL the chance.

Is the way to go...

 

[Whileee]

Most probably, it will depend on who is the top line on the right wing this coming year.
Laine or Wheeler.

It will be on Maurice hand, if he thinks Wheeler is better than Laine.

Should be
Ehlers Schiefele Laine
Connor xxx Wheelers 《《《《 they had 2 years to carry the team in the playoff...
Now give ESL the chance.

Is the way to go...

In 2019/20, 5v5 ice-time...

Laine: 750+ minutes with Scheifele
Wheeler: 400 minutes with Scheifele

Laine spent more than 72% of his 5v5 ice-time on Scheifele's line last season.

 

[surixon]

In 2019/20, 5v5 ice-time...

Laine: 750+ minutes with Scheifele
Wheeler: 400 minutes with Scheifele

Laine spent more than 72% of his 5v5 ice-time on Scheifele's line last season.

You are forgetting the obvious Little injury in that equation that made Mauroce move Blake to center.

Hopefully that trend continues next season without an external situation forcing the move.

 

[Whileee]

You are forgetting the obvious Little injury in that equation that made Mauroce move Blake to center.

Hopefully that trend continues next season without an external situation forcing the move.

Sure, but it was a decision to move Wheeler to 2C and Laine to 1RW. Fact is that Laine played the large majority of this past season as the 1RW on Scheifele's line.

 

[surixon]

Sure, but it was a decision to move Wheeler to 2C and Laine to 1RW. Fact is that Laine played the large majority of this past season as the 1RW on Scheifele's line.

That he did and scored pretty well. I want to see if there is additional growth in his game next year and become a more consistent all around power forward.

 

[puck stoppa]

We are getting off topic a bit here. Anyone think we get a first round slider (like Harkins was) for our second round pick? Who do people like there?

 

[Whileee]

We are getting off topic a bit here. Anyone think we get a first round slider (like Harkins was) for our second round pick? Who do people like there?

Some intriguing players that might "fall" to #40...

Khusnutdinov
Barron
Grans
Mysak
Gunler
Peterka
Greig
Wallinder
Brisson

Other players that might not be fallers, but I like...

Wiesblatt
Foudy
Bordeleau

 

[Romang67]

We are getting off topic a bit here. Anyone think we get a first round slider (like Harkins was) for our second round pick? Who do people like there?

Do you remember if there was anything indicating that Harkins would fall as far as he did? I know some people were iffy about him as a first round pick, but I feel like most people were very happy when our 2nd round pick came around and he was available, which indicates that he wasn't expected to fall that far.

 

[GeorgeJETson]

Do you remember if there was anything indicating that Harkins would fall as far as he did? I know some people were iffy about him as a first round pick, but I feel like most people were very happy when our 2nd round pick came around and he was available, which indicates that he wasn't expected to fall that far.

I was eyeing Harkins to be our late 1st rounder, but was surprised by Roslovic. So I was quite pleased when we managed to grab him in the 2nd round.

 

[puck stoppa]

Do you remember if there was anything indicating that Harkins would fall as far as he did? I know some people were iffy about him as a first round pick, but I feel like most people were very happy when our 2nd round pick came around and he was available, which indicates that he wasn't expected to fall that far.

I wasn’t a huge fan of his for first round but didn’t mind the pick in round 2. But glad to see he’s proved me wrong.

 

[ps241]

Agreed that a hockey trade would be ideal. I'm not sure of signing dates with a paused season and hub playoffs, but under normal circumstances Laine could be re-signed as of July 1st. I'm hoping that Chevy is trying to work on that extension, and if there is interest and reasonable numbers being discussed and go that route and get him signed. If all our wingers are signed long term it would give Chevy more leverage and flexibility in any trade discussions.

Anyways I'm back off to the lake this morning, while I'll try to follow along from time to time I'm not likely to post. I'll be back in the city next week for a couple of appointments so I will join back in then.

I must have passed you on the highway. I just drove in today after a nice stretch at the Lake. We have about two months here to discuss all options so enjoy the Lake!

 

[puck stoppa]

Interesting they have Rossi going either 4 or 5.

Why is that interesting? Rossi is a stud! I have him 4-6 range.

 

[Channelcat]

Do you remember if there was anything indicating that Harkins would fall as far as he did? I know some people were iffy about him as a first round pick, but I feel like most people were very happy when our 2nd round pick came around and he was available, which indicates that he wasn't expected to fall that far.

Cant recall how that all went down, but his draft +1 season wasn't great. So may have been some valid reasoning.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

I like Wiesblatt more and more. He is very tenacious on the puck and strong on the boards and down low. I don't think Grieg will be there be there in the second round. Tristen Robins is another guy I like in the 2nd. Carter Savoie is an interesting local guy too for the 2nd, high end skill. For D Helge Grans is an interesting prospect. Maybe a faller like Justin Barron is there too.

 

[ps241]

We’re not trading Laine. This is silly talk to trade a guy like that for an unproven pick when you could trade him for a top centre currently in the league. Teams would deal a good player or players to get Laine. Guy is just starting to round out his game. I see 40 goals in his future.

As for third D to go, not much talk around here about Guhle, I see him going ahead of Schneider.

This is the draft thread so I will try to keep in relevant to that.

We need fill holes if we want to contend next season. To do that one efficient way would be to:

Use draft picks (lets say 2020 1st 2021 2nd) for a plug and play 2C

Then we could use free agency to add a gritty #4 LHD like Brenden Dillon.

This method allows us to keep all our current assets but instead of adding rentals (for 1st's) we get an actual asset for draft picks.

I know it would suck to miss this draft but we need to get creative here if we want to contend during the Scheif era.

This plan also keeps the powder dry on Laine, Connor, Ehlers if any one of them are needed as trade chips to retool our D core or just reshape and balance our core.

@Whileee brought up a key point, Chevy needs to know if Laine is willing to sign here long term on a deal that reflects his value in this new flat cap world. If we can't get at piece with that then all bets are off and I would have him in play this off season. We don't need to Trouba another situation when our team is nowhere near contending at this point.

 

[ps241]

Mock 2020 NHL Draft: Lafreniere to Rangers, Wild get No. 9 pick

I like this mock from a Jets point of view.

 

[surixon]

We are getting off topic a bit here. Anyone think we get a first round slider (like Harkins was) for our second round pick? Who do people like there?

I am hoping Foudy falls to us. Elite skating play driving winger who probably has a bit more offense then he has shown.

 

[ps241]

We are getting off topic a bit here. Anyone think we get a first round slider (like Harkins was) for our second round pick? Who do people like there?

Great question. Since we have a few months now one of the things I am going to do is dig in on options for our 2nd round pick. The last time I was hugely passionate about this was hoping Jett Woo would fall to us in 2018 but knowing that wouldn't happen. Before that I was very high on Dylan Samberg in the 2nd before we actually landed him. Thanks for lighting a fire Puck Stoppa I am going to get on this project.

 

[Crocket]

Which players in the draft would you say have the playmaking potential similar to Holtz's goal scoring potential?


None of that indicates that Laine has developed much. If he was one of the fastest skaters in 2017, and his skating still in general is lacking, that's a worrisome sign. His shot was elite when he entered the league. It hasn't really improved. I'm not saying he hasn't improved from his rookie year, but his development certainly hasn't been rapid.

You know what? You're right, he's a dud. Most 19-20 yr olds are far better. I think he'll do okay as a second liner and 2nd PP in the AHL though. I can't believe anyone would think he was good. Lol.

 

[Daximus]

Okay, not sure you’re following. Not asking for McDavid Crosby McKinnon. If you don’t like the term 1B then let’s call it #2 centre, guys in the range of Zibinajed, Hertl, Larkin, Nugent Hopkins etc. Not the elite centres but the next tier. Still a great top 6 centre to fill our need as opposed to an unproven 18 year old kid. I think that’s a doable trade. Not that I’m targeting guys above but there is a large tier of potential centres there.

I also seriously doubt that Detroit will give you Larkin for Laine, and there is no way in hell NY would give you Zibby for Laine, RNH and Hertl aren't really in the same tier as the previous two, at least Hertl needs to prove it over another season. I have zero doubts you could pry RNH away from Edmonton but when you say 1A center you are definitely not talking about RNH, 1B doesn't really apply either. He's like a very low tier 2C at best.

 

[Crocket]

Oh wow he beat Bo Horvat at a skate around the rink. Color me unimpressed. Didn't McDavid lose that competition once too? Hmmmm it's almost like skating around in the rink in a circle without the puck on your stick isn't indicative of anything other than you ability to skate around the rink without the puck on your stick. Fun trick, means nothing in a game situation. His shooting % was also off the charts during those first 2 seasons, this year he took more shots per minute and it came back down to earth. I think we are seeing the more likely shooting % going forwards for Laine. Let's be reality for a second, Laine was never going to keep up a 17%+ shooting percentage.

Lol, skating fast is just one example but you can see his efficiency and stride more importantly. But again, you're right. He's at best a second line AHL player, a complete dud. 247 pts in 305 games is abysmal for a young player under 21. Maybe Maurice can turn him into a PK specialist.

 

[Whileee]

I am hoping Foudy falls to us. Elite skating play driving winger who probably has a bit more offense then he has shown.

He's interesting, but I prefer Robins. Greig and Wiesblatt are others I really like, but I doubt Greig will be available.

 

[Daximus]

Lol, skating fast is just one example but you can see his efficiency and stride more importantly. But again, you're right. He's at best a second line AHL player, a complete dud. 247 pts in 305 games is abysmal for a young player under 21. Maybe Maurice can turn him into a PK specialist.

See now you're just using a strawman to try and prove a point I didn't make. Might as well start arguing with the wall at this point.