B-Sens 2020-2021 Belleville Senators

[HSF]

who cares about the record in the AHL this year? Are there even going to be playoffs? Its all about development this year and having an area for prospects to play for most of these nhl teams

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Yeah, decision making is always going to be the thing holding him back. Lots of tools, not much holding them together.

Have really seen that to be an issue so far. He was especially strong last game. The simpler he keeps his game the better he will be. And he’s surprisingly mean. Might be what sets
Him apart from a guy like Ceci.

 

[BondraTime]

Have really seen that to be an issue so far. He was especially strong last game. The simpler he keeps his game the better he will be. And he’s surprisingly mean. Might be what sets
Him apart from a guy like Ceci.

Really? Been very noticeable in 3/4 games I've seen. Never saw last game to be fair.

He's got great tools, as has always been the case

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Really? Been very noticeable in 3/4 games I've seen. Never saw last game to be fair.

He's got great tools, as has always been the case

I meant “have not seen that to be an issue” I definitely think he’s been fine for his first games. And seems to be getting better.

 

[BondraTime]

I meant “have not seen that to be an issue” I definitely think he’s been fine for his first games. And seems to be getting better.

I know, that's what I assumed you meant

I meant his lack of decision making has been very noticeable, as has his great tools, which his own coach is seeing enough to comment on it as well. Not something you usually hear from the team or coach. He's got the tools, the issue will be the toolbox.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I know, that's what I assumed you meant

I meant his lack of decision making has been very noticeable, as has his great tools, which his own coach is seeing enough to comment on it as well. Not something you usually hear from the team or coach. He's got the tools, the issue will be the toolbox.

Yeah. The first two games against Laval were an adventure. I thought he may have been the sens second best d man on Saturday afternoon. I definitely see a lot of ceci there. If he can play every game like he did on Saturday I’ll be happy. Simple game.

 

[Crosside]

Losses Pile Up for BSens

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

who cares about the record in the AHL this year? Are there even going to be playoffs? Its all about development this year and having an area for prospects to play for most of these nhl teams

Its less about the record than the development for me.. If you are always chasing the game due to lack of quality in the lineup .. or if you can't move the puck effectively out of your end it affects development the W/L are less important but being competitive is important . If you are competitive, the wins many or few take care of themselves

 

[Xspyrit]

That run was the equivalent of Belleville last year.
This year the BSens are an example of what happens when your best prospects graduate. The BSens went 29-40 the year after the championship when their best players graduated.

We'll never know what the B-Sens could have done in the playoffs if it wasn't for Covid so yes that's unfortunate. But believe it or not, the GM/AGM is also responsible for the team in the AHL. Yes they lost a few great prospects to graduation but they still have to make an effort to try to replace them with other good pro players (also several things lead to losing all of Balcers, Chlapik, Lajoie and Jaros for basically nothing). The team is 1-6-0 and has a -17 differential in 7 games, lol?

The comparison you made with the 2011-12 Bingo is true EXCEPT that the big team MADE THE PLAYOFFS that year and were on their way to become competitive. Made the playoffs again in 2012-13 and even won the first round against the 2nd seed. If you don't find there's a major difference in terms of results, I don't know what to tell you.

If the future team peaks higher then at least we won't have suffered all these years (4 and counting) for nothing. If not, that will be a FAILURE of EPIC proportions having all that draft/prospect capital from tanking and trading star players in their prime.

The fact that our shots against is down over 2+ per game from last year in a much better division offensively is a positive. FQL didn’t post any atats related to the defensive side of the game or at least it looked like that.

As for being in total denial, if you don’t think our terrible goaltending at the start of the season had an impact on anything you are definitely the one in Denial lol.

As I already said, the number of shots for or against is kinda misleading and meaningless. Even advanced stats can't perfectly picture the quality of scoring chances. There's many factors who can improve the quality of a scoring chance. Who is taking a shot? What is the type of the shot? Velocity? Where is the shot location/distance? How much time and space the player(s) have? Who is defending against? Did they played it poorly? What is the nature of the play? Turnover? Odd-man rush? Etc. I mean, there's way too many factors in hockey to call something black or white.

This is where the "eye test" come into play. If you take a look at the 1st period on last thursday and think this is NHL level defending, I don't know what to tell you and it's best to just finish the conversation. I have rarely seen so many broken plays and turnovers in dangerous locations in just 1 period. The thing is, in just 27 games, the Sens already had plenty of awful periods like that this season. In the sample size, it's significantly worse than last year, we have been GIFT WRAPPING way more goals against in relation to the sample size. Last year, they were less talented but were playing smarter and much more structured.

Anyway, the fact that you reiterate this "argument" about 2 meaningless SA less than last year thinking it's a good argument, demonstrate a very "superficial" hockey analysis. The eye test definitely says that our defensive game is much worse than last year (which was already below NHL average)

As for the "terrible goaltending" argument, it's more a simplistic conclusion than anything to me. There's many things that would need to be explained and almost analyze all the GA (I did in a few PGT after people were calling some goals weak) but frankly I want to do other things. Writing all this already takes time.

Yes, our goaltending hasn't been stellar or anything but look at this, first 5 games on the road to close out January :

Matt Murray 0.797 SV%
Marcus Hogberg 0.840 SV%

Rest of season :

Matt Murray 0.897 SV%
Marcus Hogberg 0.873 SV%

The team was totaly discombulated and disorganized as soon as they hit the road. It wasn't as bad after that but there still has been several games/period where the team got blown out and COINCIDENTALLY (I guess... for the people in denial?), it's pretty much always in road games... They are SIMPLY OUTMATCHED on the road

Finally, do you want to see something else? 2020-21 vs 2019-20

Matt Murray 0.885 SV% vs 0.899 SV%
Marcus Hogberg 0.859 SV% vs 0.904 SV%
Joey Daccord 0.867 SV% vs 0.915 SV% (AHL)
Filip Gustavsson 0.882 SV% vs 0.889 SV% (AHL)

I reiterate, thinking all these 4 goalies suddenly became much worse is PURE DENIAL. Double denial if you think I am "definitely the one in Denial" lol

There is a MAJOR defense problem in the organization.

I think part of our shots agai st being down might be score effect. I haven't dug into it but it feels like we've been blown out a lot more this year and teams take their foot off the gas when the game is out of reach.

Honestly, to me the eye test seems like there are a lot more breakdowns in our own end until the game is out of reach followed by just going through the motions.

Absolutely, several teams let the foot off the gas in the 3rd period having comfortable leads. That's exactly how that 6-5 comeback win against the Leafs happened.

The 2nd point is also absolutely true but hey, more denial.

 

[GCK]

We'll never know what the B-Sens could have done in the playoffs if it wasn't for Covid so yes that's unfortunate. But believe it or not, the GM/AGM is also responsible for the team in the AHL. Yes they lost a few great prospects to graduation but they still have to make an effort to try to replace them with other good pro players (also several things lead to losing all of Balcers, Chlapik, Lajoie and Jaros for basically nothing). The team is 1-6-0 and has a -17 differential in 7 games, lol?

The comparison you made with the 2011-12 Bingo is true EXCEPT that the big team MADE THE PLAYOFFS that year and were on their way to become competitive. Made the playoffs again in 2012-13 and even won the first round against the 2nd seed. If you don't find there's a major difference in terms of results, I don't know what to tell you.

If the future team peaks higher then at least we won't have suffered all these years (4 and counting) for nothing. If not, that will be a FAILURE of EPIC proportions having all that draft/prospect capital from tanking and trading star players in their prime.



As I already said, the number of shots for or against is kinda misleading and meaningless. Even advanced stats can't perfectly picture the quality of scoring chances. There's many factors who can improve the quality of a scoring chance. Who is taking a shot? What is the type of the shot? Velocity? Where is the shot location/distance? How much time and space the player(s) have? Who is defending against? Did they played it poorly? What is the nature of the play? Turnover? Odd-man rush? Etc. I mean, there's way too many factors in hockey to call something black or white.

This is where the "eye test" come into play. If you take a look at the 1st period on last thursday and think this is NHL level defending, I don't know what to tell you and it's best to just finish the conversation. I have rarely seen so many broken plays and turnovers in dangerous locations in just 1 period. The thing is, in just 27 games, the Sens already had plenty of awful periods like that this season. In the sample size, it's significantly worse than last year, we have been GIFT WRAPPING way more goals against in relation to the sample size. Last year, they were less talented but were playing smarter and much more structured.

Anyway, the fact that you reiterate this "argument" about 2 meaningless SA less than last year thinking it's a good argument, demonstrate a very "superficial" hockey analysis. The eye test definitely says that our defensive game is much worse than last year (which was already below NHL average)

As for the "terrible goaltending" argument, it's more a simplistic conclusion than anything to me. There's many things that would need to be explained and almost analyze all the GA (I did in a few PGT after people were calling some goals weak) but frankly I want to do other things. Writing all this already takes time.

Yes, our goaltending hasn't been stellar or anything but look at this, first 5 games on the road to close out January :

Matt Murray 0.797 SV%
Marcus Hogberg 0.840 SV%

Rest of season :

Matt Murray 0.897 SV%
Marcus Hogberg 0.873 SV%

The team was totaly discombulated and disorganized as soon as they hit the road. It wasn't as bad after that but there still has been several games/period where the team got blown out and COINCIDENTALLY (I guess... for the people in denial?), it's pretty much always in road games... They are SIMPLY OUTMATCHED on the road

Finally, do you want to see something else? 2020-21 vs 2019-20

Matt Murray 0.885 SV% vs 0.899 SV%
Marcus Hogberg 0.859 SV% vs 0.904 SV%
Joey Daccord 0.867 SV% vs 0.915 SV% (AHL)
Filip Gustavsson 0.882 SV% vs 0.889 SV% (AHL)

I reiterate, thinking all these 4 goalies suddenly became much worse is PURE DENIAL. Double denial if you think I am "definitely the one in Denial" lol

There is a MAJOR defense problem in the organization.



Absolutely, several teams let the foot off the gas in the 3rd period having comfortable leads. That's exactly how that 6-5 comeback win against the Leafs happened.

The 2nd point is also absolutely true but hey, more denial.

So you are now shifting to comparing the defensive ability of this team to average NHL teams ? The original point was comparing this team to last years team. I guess a year softens some people’s recollection of how horrible our D zone play was last year, constantly hemmed in our own zone multiple times a period zero breakout etc..

 

[aragorn]

This whole yr is a right off around the world due to Covid & it will be very difficult to make anything of it regarding the development of players because of the hundreds of different scenarios, experiences & closures. Not sure how they will be able to assess a draft with so many not playing very many games & in different leagues than where they were suppose to play, it's a mess. Good luck to scouts everywhere trying to figure who the best players are suppose to be this yr.

 

[cudi]

 

[mianjo]

 

[mianjo]

No radio coverage for this game?

 

[mianjo]

After 10 mins shots 3-2 for Laval. and Egor had a tripping pen 0-0.

After 18 mins still 0-0 and shots now 9-4 Belleville

 

[OD99]

My God...what are they doing in a pre-game skate that can injure him?

This is completely ridiculous now.

 

[mianjo]

0-0 after 1 shots 11-4 for Belleville

LAV	0 / 1	2 min / 1 in	0
BEL	0 / 1	2 min / 1 in	0

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[RAFI BOMB]

 

[Samboni]

Wow another injury to Brown. Man, if this kid didn’t have bad luck, he wouldn’t have any luck at all!

 

[foggyvisor]

My God...what are they doing in a pre-game skate that can injure him?

This is completely ridiculous now.

Logan Brown has become a parody of himself.

 

[mianjo]

1-0

Alex Formenton (3) Logan Shaw (2), Parker Kelly (2)

2-0

#13 Egor Sokolov (3) ASST: None Shots 17-6

 

[cudi]

Kid is heating up!

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

 

[BondraTime]

Sokolov's skating has improved so much since last season. Saw him play 10+ games last year at the Center 200, his skating was only thing holding him back. By no means is it a strength now, but the improvement is extremely noticeable.

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

Sokolov is legit. Will be in the nhl by next seasons end