2017 nhl redraft 1-15

[DatDude44]

Hischier
Petterson
Heiskanen
Mittelstadt
Tolvanen
Thomas
Necas
Chytil
Patrick
Makar
Vilardi
Glass
Valimaki
Andersson
Yamamoto



Edit: this is extremely hard to do because i think this draft overall is going to develop a ton of legit NHL'ers. Could easily change my list a month from now and i'm sure it will look completely different a year from now. A lot of you probably hate me for having CM over tolvanen and makar low, it's just hard to fit everyone in. HM: Hague, Kostin, Heponiemi,Brannstrom,, Liljegren,, Poehling, Jokiharju, Rasmussen, Vaakanainen etc... etc...

 

[Atoyot]

Couldnt agree more. Earlier in the year I foolishly had him dropped to around 10 or even below but i think more patience on my part was needed as what hes been able to show progressively in the BEST league in the world IS the reason he was chosen 2nd. Even as recently as a month ago I had Pettersson Heiskanen Chytil and Tolvanen ahead of him but cant justify that anymore until any of em show they can do what Patrick is doing (and Im a big Pettersson homer).

1 Hischier
2 Patrick
3 Pettersson
4 Heiskanen
5 Chytil
6 Tolvanen
7 Necas
8 Glass
9 Vilardi
10 Middlestat
11 Liljegren
12 Hipponiemi
13 Andersson
14 Lind
15 Makar
16 Valimaki
17 Poehling
18 Frost
19 Foote
20 Jokijarazu
21 Timmins
22 Yomomoto
23 Joseph
24 Suzuki
25 Vaakanaainen
26 Rasmussen
27 Branstorm
28 Thomas
29 Hague
30 Fomenton
31 Dipietro

HM Tippett Vesailanen Ratcliffe

Vesalainen has the 6th best U-19 season in Liiga since 1990, looked better than Tolvanen at the World Juniors, and somehow he manages to drop on most lists and doesn't even make the first round in this one? Crazy draft.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

You have a clear bias towards American players, and that is even more evident when you think Yamamoto should move up

All I'm seeing are excuses when other players have improved significantly. How about this, you tell me who he passes. I'm excited to see your response. Cause you could probably argue he passes Norris or Rasmussen, but that is it really. Then plenty of talented players who I have previously mentioned should pass him.

Try to not get too upset when someone has a different opinion than you, it isn't a good look.

I agree.

If Yamamoto didnt disappear in the playoffs, Spokane might have advanced to the second round.

 

[Maukkis]

Couldnt agree more. Earlier in the year I foolishly had him dropped to around 10 or even below but i think more patience on my part was needed as what hes been able to show progressively in the BEST league in the world IS the reason he was chosen 2nd. Even as recently as a month ago I had Pettersson Heiskanen Chytil and Tolvanen ahead of him but cant justify that anymore until any of em show they can do what Patrick is doing (and Im a big Pettersson homer).

1 Hischier
2 Patrick
3 Pettersson
4 Heiskanen
5 Chytil
6 Tolvanen
7 Necas
8 Glass
9 Vilardi
10 Middlestat
11 Liljegren
12 Hipponiemi
13 Andersson
14 Lind
15 Makar
16 Valimaki
17 Poehling
18 Frost
19 Foote
20 Jokijarazu
21 Timmins
22 Yomomoto
23 Joseph
24 Suzuki
25 Vaakanaainen
26 Rasmussen
27 Branstorm
28 Thomas
29 Hague
30 Fomenton
31 Dipietro

HM Tippett Vesailanen Ratcliffe

Guess again.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

1. Hischier
2.Patrick
3.Heiskanen
4. Makar
5.Pettersson
6. Glass
7.Andersson
8. Mittelstadt
9.Rasmussen
10.Tippett
11. vilardi
12. Necas
13. Suzuki
14. Foote
15. Brannstrom

It's too early for a re-draft.

whoa bold!

 

[M2Beezy]

whoa bold!

Hes just reposted the top 15 how they actually were drafted

 

[Stizzle]

Hischier
Petterson
Heiskanen
Mittelstadt
Tolvanen
Thomas
Necas
Chytil
Patrick
Makar
Vilardi
Glass
Valimaki
Andersson
Yamamoto

Patrick scores 2 goals and 1 assist last night in the NHL, but somehow Thomas is 3 spots ahead of him. No bias there, STLBLUES44.

 

[AUAIOMRN]

have to imagine Yamamoto moves up a few spots - kid has had a great year outside of a so-so WJC...

As an Oiler fan I'd like to believe this, but it seems to me a more accurate statement would be that he's had a so-so year outside of a great NHL preseason.

 

[MrSpyFox]

Was curious to see how the 2017 draft is looking in the top 15 and who is looking like a bust. If you had to rank the top 15 right now. From the draft:
1. Hischier
2.Patrick
3.Heiskanen
4. Makar
5.Pettersson
6. Glass
7.Andersson
8. Mittelstadt
9.Rasmussen
10.Tippett
11. vilardi
12. Necas
13. Suzuki
14. Foote
15. Brannstrom


Mine:

1. Hischier
2. Pettersson
3. Heiskanen
4. Patrick
5. Mittelstadt
6. Tolvanen
7. Vesalainen
8. Glass
9. Necas
10. Makar
11. Rasmussen
12. Vilardi
13. Chytil
14. Jokiharju
15. Tippett
...
16. Andersson
I know these rankings might be weird, but I think this is where they are in terms of value as a player right now. There are a lot of other players that are in the convo too, like Thomas, Lind, yamamoto, Frost, Poehling, liljegren, Hague and Timmins that could make the top 15 swell

How Tolvanen slipped down to 30 is beyond me. He's definitely a top 5-ish. The preds hit a bullseye (with a bit of luck). I've watched a few Jokarit games through the year and he's electrifying every time he touches the puck.
Cale makar is exactly the type of defenseman teams are looking for nowadays. Should go higher.
Patrick is injury prone, don't know what to think about him.

1. Hischier
2. Petterson
3. Heiskanene
4. Mittelstadt
5. Patrick
6. Tolvanen
7. Makar
8. Glass
9. Vesalainen
10. Frost
11. Thomas
12. Necas
13. Vilardi
14. Yamamoto
15. Chytil

Honorable mentions for Conor Timmins, Nic Hague, Sebastian Aho and Alex Texier. They're having good to great seasons and playing like first rounders.

 

[DatDude44]

Patrick scores 2 goals and 1 assist last night in the NHL, but somehow Thomas is 3 spots ahead of him. No bias there, STLBLUES44.

i'm really high on thomas.... I'm trying to project pro career wise...not just right now. I think thomas is more dynamic personally.

I wanted the blues to draft him so badly last year before it happened and they did.... I really think he could be a legit playmaking top6C in this league

 

[Castle8130]

How Tolvanen slipped down to 30 is beyond me. He's definitely a top 5-ish. The preds hit a bullseye (with a bit of luck). I've watched a few Jokarit games through the year and he's electrifying every time he touches the puck.
Cale makar is exactly the type of defenseman teams are looking for nowadays. Should go higher.
Patrick is injury prone, don't know what to think about him.

1. Hischier
2. Petterson
3. Heiskanene
4. Mittelstadt
5. Patrick
6. Tolvanen
7. Makar
8. Glass
9. Vesalainen
10. Frost
11. Thomas
12. Necas
13. Vilardi
14. Yamamoto
15. Chytil

Honorable mentions for Conor Timmins, Nic Hague, Sebastian Aho and Alex Texier. They're having good to great seasons and playing like first rounders.

Tbh I'm not very high on makar. Not saying he can't be a remarkable defenseman, but when I watch him play, I don't think he will develop his defensive game more. His offense to me is already really nice because he has a rocket of a shot. I think he has the ability to be a pp specialist. Reminds me of justin faulk in the nhl. Maybe a bit better in his own end.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Patrick scores 2 goals and 1 assist last night in the NHL, but somehow Thomas is 3 spots ahead of him. No bias there, STLBLUES44.

Why would anyone change their mind after a single game.
Strange post.

 

[MardyBum]

Vesalainen has the 6th best U-19 season in Liiga since 1990, looked better than Tolvanen at the World Juniors, and somehow he manages to drop on most lists and doesn't even make the first round in this one? Crazy draft.

You should be grateful he got an HM considering the poster lol.

 

[Captain Clutch]

What strikes me about this re-draft topic is that it is such a difficult exercise because there were SO MANY DAMN GOOD PLAYERS in this draft. I have a hell of a time even ranking the top 10 because there are so many studs there: Nico(impact NHL Rookie 1C) , Patrick (Rapidly turning into an impact 2C), Pettersson(Setting records in the SHL for a U20), Makar(lit up the world juniors, Mittelstadt(ditto), Heiskanen looking like he's NHL ready, the top 10 is stupid good.

and then you go down the list a bit and recognize that Vesalainen is a terror, that St. Louis likes Robert Thomas so much that they let Stastny go, they obviously believe he can be a 2C in short order, The Rangers love Chytyl and they like Andersson even more, Necas looks like a stud (11 points in 7 world junior games), I mean this is a truly incredible draft year, much better I think than people are giving it credit for, even now.

And I haven't even mentioned Glass, Vilardi, Tippett etc all excellent prospects tearing up juniors. I know a few of these guys will ultimately disappoint but its sure hard to figure out who its gonna be because everyone so far is having pretty damn impressive D+1 years.

Top 15 is indeed a really difficult exercise for this excellent draft year

Alas, I didn't even mention 2nd rounder Connor Timmins, who I thought was Canada's best overall defender at the World Juniors, he may end up in an Avs uniform as early as next season

 

[MrSpyFox]

i'm really high on thomas.... I'm trying to project pro career wise...not just right now. I think thomas is more dynamic personally.

I wanted the blues to draft him so badly last year before it happened and they did.... I really think he could be a legit playmaking top6C in this league

I'm with you there on Thomas. I was really hoping the habs would manage to put their hands on him at trade deadline (slim chances, I know). He does look like the real deal.

 

[Stizzle]

Why would anyone change their mind after a single game.
Strange post.

I was joking. The stat was pointed out to shine light on the fact that the poster might be a tad bias. It's cool, though. I understand the consensus around here is to bump Patrick down for his injuries, slow start, and a perceived lack of upside. He has been money in the 2nd half of the year, but a lot of people's minds have already been made up.

 

[M2Beezy]

Patrick scores 2 goals and 1 assist last night in the NHL, but somehow Thomas is 3 spots ahead of him. No bias there, STLBLUES44.

LOL thats what i was thinking too. Unreal

 

[The Moose is Loose]

He was injury plagued. I had my concerns about him.... until I actually saw him play. He’s far more skilled than he gets credit for and straight up fast. Just in general, not even just for his size. Also excellent defensively.

12 points in 4 games in the playoffs
4 goals, 5 points in five preseason games.
Closer to making the NHL regularly than most guys.

He’s massively underrated imo, and I don’t see what players like Necas or Foote (who just got devoured by Rasmussen’s line for four easy wins) have done to warrant being ahead of him.

This is part where an team starts claiming how "he is excellent defensively" because the offense just isn't there for an offensive player. By my recount, most NHL scouts were scared off by his reliance on PP production, and that he was pretty middling defensively compared to the other centers selected around him

 

[Hatter of the Beach]

This is part where an team starts claiming how "he is excellent defensively" because the offense just isn't there for an offensive player. By my recount, most NHL scouts were scared off by his reliance on PP production, and that he was pretty middling defensively compared to the other centers selected around him

Have you watched him play? Serious question.

I guess none of us know until a prospect is a few years in, but Rasmussen is 100% in the NHL next year. I HATED the pick, raged all over here and reddit over it, wanting Vilardi or Liligrjen. Maybe they do come out to be better players, but all my concerns about the pick were greatly reduced after I watched him play several games, both in the preseason, and the playoff series. I seriously think he has Anders Lee potential

 

[DatDude44]

LOL thats what i was thinking too. Unreal

lol so other posters put thomas in their top 10 and it's fine....but when a blues fan who followed this draft extremely close and has watched plenty of film on thomas and others puts him there its just bias......lol.....

I'm also extremely high on nic hague and thought he was a 1st rounder....i actually drafted him 27th ov in sim league.... is that bias too? Or my love for petterson, heiskanen, andersson, chytil, Lind, heponiemi and valimaki? No? didn't think so....

 

[Goulet17]

Tbh I'm not very high on makar. Not saying he can't be a remarkable defenseman, but when I watch him play, I don't think he will develop his defensive game more. His offense to me is already really nice because he has a rocket of a shot. I think he has the ability to be a pp specialist. Reminds me of justin faulk in the nhl. Maybe a bit better in his own end.

If you think that Makar may be Justin Faulk-like in the NHL, but with a bit better defense, shouldn't he still be much higher on your list than 15th?

 

[Castle8130]

If you think that Makar may be Justin Faulk-like in the NHL, but with a bit better defense, shouldn't he still be much higher on your list than 15th?

Have him at 10 and I don't really like faulk as an nhler.

 

[Elias Pettersson]

I think Makar ends up top 5 best players in the draft.

 

[DieTomi]

Hes just reposted the top 15 how they actually were drafted

I think he knows..

 

[BackWithaVengeance]

i'm really high on thomas.... I'm trying to project pro career wise...not just right now. I think thomas is more dynamic personally.

I wanted the blues to draft him so badly last year before it happened and they did.... I really think he could be a legit playmaking top6C in this league

You realize that Patrick is already in this role and just gets better and better?