2017-18 Roster Talk: Part Ten

[FLYguy3911]

wrong thread

Thanks.

 

[Striiker]

Seeing as he's on their top pairing and is playing 20:46 per game, there's no reason to believe they want to get rid of MacDonald or have any plans for him to be anywhere other than the top pairing again next year.

 

[Striiker]

Thanks.

You're welcome.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Seeing as he's on their top pairing and is playing 20:46 per game, there's no reason to believe they want to get rid of MacDonald or have any plans for him to be anywhere other than the top pairing again next year.

An excuse will continued to be made anyway.

 

[FLYguy3911]

There’s an expansion draft coming up.

 

[deadhead]

Where is B Schenn these days?
The fact that someone is currently playing a major role does not give them job security.
Coburn was playing major minutes (20:14), then he was gone.

If he sees Morin as a lock next year, and Myers as a promotion by Christmas, he has way too many D-men.

 

[Striiker]

MacDonald isn't bouncing around 3 different positions on 3 different lines like Schenn did.

It was pretty clear they didn't know what to do with him at 5v5, meanwhile MacDonald is attached to Provorov like a tumor.

Face it, they actually value players like MacDonald, Manning, and Hagg.

 

[Appleyard]

~27-19-5 for 92 points will 'probably' put them in the playoffs from here on out.

After that 5 game streak they are realistically about 50:50 to make the play-offs right now.

Would be nice to finish off 2017 ~4-2-1 or so (which is very do-able considering the schedule) and go into new year with a ~17-13-8 record and ~42 points with a ~.553 pt %. That would be 91 point pace and keep them *just* about on pace for the final WC spot.

 

[Striiker]

Another writers credibility bites the dust. He's too obsessed with stats.




"part of the middle six solution"

"clearly deserves his role on this team"

"slowly but surely a competent PHI middle six is emerging"

Ohh yeah? Think that has something to do with Voracek making us a team with more than one line? Nah, its definitely Filppula.

Then he praises Weal and Filppula again... but Konecny "needs to get going"...

Hey, maybe giving him 10:23 per game this month isn't the best way to "get him going". Meanwhile, over the same time period, Filppula gets 18:41 per game with far better players. Look at how Raffl improved when getting more time and with better players. Must be a coincidence.

 

[Chinatown88]

^ Sounds like a bunch of fake news.

 

[deadhead]

Konecny does need to get going, scorers need to score, otherwise he's just a more physical version of Leier - he's had his opportunities this year, shooting at the same pace as last year and I'll bet the shots are just as good in terms of position on ice - he's just not scoring.

Hopefully, NP turned a corner last night, or at least is approaching one, getting him going by January would be HUGE for this team.

And yes, Filppula has been a solid 3C, I mean what do you expect from your 3C, Couts? Filppula is giving us Schenn iike play at center. Maybe we should have put Voracek on Schenn's line?

 

[Curufinwe]

Hak's goons must have got to Charlie, like Irving got to Dom in Mr Robot.

 

[Striiker]

Funny how you pretend linemates and icetime don't matter.

 

[deadhead]

They matter, but more for some players than others.

Right now, Konecny fits with Laughton better than he did with Patrick. He's a pedal to the metal player, who doesn't have different gears. On the Laughton line he can be a whirling dervish.

Konency can outskate Giroux by a wide margin, but there's no comparison between the two despite being the same size. Konecny might play better with Couts, but that wouldn't make him a potential allstar. And he wouldn't raise Couts' game.

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

~27-19-5 for 92 points will 'probably' put them in the playoffs from here on out.

After that 5 game streak they are realistically about 50:50 to make the play-offs right now.

Would be nice to finish off 2017 ~4-2-1 or so (which is very do-able considering the schedule) and go into new year with a ~17-13-8 record and ~42 points with a ~.553 pt %. That would be 91 point pace and keep them *just* about on pace for the final WC spot.

More like 27-15-5, need to adjust for regular season sweep by devils.

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

Another writers credibility bites the dust. He's too obsessed with stats.




"part of the middle six solution"

"clearly deserves his role on this team"

"slowly but surely a competent PHI middle six is emerging"

Ohh yeah? Think that has something to do with Voracek making us a team with more than one line? Nah, its definitely Filppula.

Then he praises Weal and Filppula again... but Konecny "needs to get going"...

Hey, maybe giving him 10:23 per game this month isn't the best way to "get him going". Meanwhile, over the same time period, Filppula gets 18:41 per game with far better players. Look at how Raffl improved when getting more time and with better players. Must be a coincidence.

I just threw up in my mouth. I like oconner, but it's safe to assume he sold out. What's next two empty netters by weise and he suddenly becomes solid 3rd liner?

 

[Curufinwe]

How much money do you think the Flyers gave him? Five grand?

 

[FLYguy3911]

The Athletic's model gives the Flyers a 24% chance at the playoffs after last night.

 

[Curufinwe]

Neuvirth's injury is turning into a nice little Christmas bonus for Alex Lyon. Gets to sit on the bench and cash those NHL pay cheques.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Yep.

The scheme is well executed, they play great defense and protect an average goalie - imagine how Elloitt would be exposed in a wide open, less disciplined scheme.

Just need to add forward talent that can score. And we have that in droves, from the AHL to juniors/SHL/college. We don't need to add a bunch of superstars, just upgrade 3-4 forward spots and this becomes an above average offense.

I have a dream that someday Flyer fans will see 12 forwards on the ice who are legitimate NHL players . . .

Best Friend,

I think we've seen this season that the system can work. It has multiple times.


Where they shot themselves over and over and over and over, especially with some of the games they let slip during the losing streak, is where they get a lead and then slash their forecheck in favor of protecting. They'd be much better served to keep pushing.

 

[deadhead]

They'd also be more effective pushing if they had more forwards that could backcheck effectively and win battles along the boards when the other team is pressing during the 3rd period. That's why players like Ghost, Sanheim, Konecny, Leier and Weal are often benched with a lead - because they struggle when the opposing offense starts gambling and forechecking aggressively. Smaller players are more effective early in the game and when you're behind, but when they get pressed they often lose puck possession - and when the other team is behind in the 3rd period they start gambling and sending extra players on the forecheck.

This is a personnel problem as much as scheme, I think they'll look a lot better with a stronger, healthy Patrick and players like Lindblom, Vorobyev, MV and NAK, as well as Morin and Myers on defense next year. You don't need monsters, Raffl is effective at 6'0 200, but you do need full sized players.

Now the one thing I agree is when they go into a shell the last few minutes and don't aggressively challenge the D-men at the point, that's just waiting for disaster to happen - but when they force turnovers they also have to score on some of those breakaways and ice games with a lead. Need that killer instinct.

 

[NYCFlyer]

Seeing as he's on their top pairing and is playing 20:46 per game, there's no reason to believe they want to get rid of MacDonald or have any plans for him to be anywhere other than the top pairing again next year.

What an ignorant post. Typical.

 

[Striiker]

What an ignorant post. Typical.

Oh boy, looks like somebodies triggered.

 

[Lindberg]

What an ignorant post. Typical.

Ignorant would imply he's uninformed.

 

[Beef Invictus]

They'd also be more effective pushing if they had more forwards that could backcheck effectively and win battles along the boards when the other team is pressing during the 3rd period. That's why players like Ghost, Sanheim, Konecny, Leier and Weal are often benched with a lead - because they struggle when the opposing offense starts gambling and forechecking aggressively. Smaller players are more effective early in the game and when you're behind, but when they get pressed they often lose puck possession - and when the other team is behind in the 3rd period they start gambling and sending extra players on the forecheck.

This is a personnel problem as much as scheme, I think they'll look a lot better with a stronger, healthy Patrick and players like Lindblom, Vorobyev, MV and NAK, as well as Morin and Myers on defense next year. You don't need monsters, Raffl is effective at 6'0 200, but you do need full sized players.

Now the one thing I agree is when they go into a shell the last few minutes and don't aggressively challenge the D-men at the point, that's just waiting for disaster to happen - but when they force turnovers they also have to score on some of those breakaways and ice games with a lead. Need that killer instinct.

Best Friend, I disagree. They have enough talent to keep pushing. They just don't when they're sending one, maybe two players to forecheck and dumping rather than maintaining possession, then it is natural for the other team to constantly return the puck to our end. It is natural for our players to always be defending.

It would be better to push possession in the offensive zone, let all those battles occur on the other end of the ice, rather than in their own end.