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[Canada4Gold]

Anybody else questioning how the bullpen has been used tonight?

I'm a little mystified.

I didn't like leaving in Stroman after he was hit in the arm. But I can live with that, if he's okay, he's okay.

I didn't like Cecil being left in to face Fraizer. Cecil was supposed to get Eaton out. When he didn't, go to a rightie to face Fraizer.

And what's with using Chavez in the 9th instead of Storen or Osuna? Jays were down by one, any win is going to be a walk off. There is no save to be had for a closer. Why not use one of your two best pen arms to try and keep it at one and win it in the 9th?

Maybe I'm just pissed this game became a train wreck.

Cecil didn't face Frazier.

And Generally your odds of winning when you're down 1 entering the 9th are pretty bad, you don't waste your best relievers in situations where you're probably not going to win. It's not mop up duty, but you go to a reliever like Chavez there. Most teams do.

 

[Muston Atthews]

Anybody else questioning how the bullpen has been used tonight?

I'm a little mystified.

I didn't like leaving in Stroman after he was hit in the arm. But I can live with that, if he's okay, he's okay.

I didn't like Cecil being left in to face Fraizer. Cecil was supposed to get Eaton out. When he didn't, go to a rightie to face Fraizer.

And what's with using Chavez in the 9th instead of Storen or Osuna? Jays were down by one, any win is going to be a walk off. There is no save to be had for a closer. Why not use one of your two best pen arms to try and keep it at one and win it in the 9th?

Maybe I'm just pissed this game became a train wreck.

I don't pitch Osuna in this game. Storen definitely should have been in the game instead of Floyd

 

[Swervin81]

ERA: 9th (ahead of: Detroit, Boston (!), Anaheim, Houston, Cleveland, and Texas)

WAR: 9th (ahead of: Tampa Bay, Houston, Minnesota, Cleveland, Anaheim, and Texas)

FIP: 9th (ahead of: Houston, Tampa Bay, Minnesota, Anaheim, Cleveland, Texas)

Strand rate: 11th (ahead of: Anaheim, Boston (!), New York (!!), Cleveland)

WHIP: 8th (ahead of: Cleveland, Kansas City (!), Houston, Boston (!!), Detroit, Minnesota, Texas)

I'm going to stop listing the teams behind them but other food for thought:

K%: 7th
BB%: 3rd
Opp. BA: 10th
Hard contact allowed: 7th


So pretty objectively not the worst. If anything, Texas is clearly the worst pen in the AL.

Huh. I would not have guessed Texas to be the worst pen in the league.

 

[tp71]

As long as Gibbons is the manager, Osuna will never pitch when we're behind. Better just make peace with it.

Anyway, Cecil and Storen have both been terrible, so not too much Gibbons can do.

Osuna pitched this Friday when the Jays were behind.

 

[Longshot]

Cecil didn't face Frazier.

And Generally your odds of winning when you're down 1 entering the 9th are pretty bad, you don't waste your best relievers in situations where you're probably not going to win. It's not mop up duty, but you go to a reliever like Chavez there. Most teams do.

Thanks for the Fraizer correction. I mis-remembered the inning.

And I disagree on the second point.

One run game in the 9th. Donaldson, Bautista, EE and Tulo coming up? You go with your best bullpen arm to keep it one-run and hope for a walk-off win. If it was Storen I would have been fine with it as well.

 

[Muston Atthews]

definitely though tulo was getting rung up there

 

[p.l.f.]

Walk off homer come on

 

[HamiltonNHL]

ERA: 9th (ahead of: Detroit, Boston (!), Anaheim, Houston, Cleveland, and Texas)

WAR: 9th (ahead of: Tampa Bay, Houston, Minnesota, Cleveland, Anaheim, and Texas)

FIP: 9th (ahead of: Houston, Tampa Bay, Minnesota, Anaheim, Cleveland, Texas)

Strand rate: 11th (ahead of: Anaheim, Boston (!), New York (!!), Cleveland)

WHIP: 8th (ahead of: Cleveland, Kansas City (!), Houston, Boston (!!), Detroit, Minnesota, Texas)

I'm going to stop listing the teams behind them but other food for thought:

K%: 7th
BB%: 3rd
Opp. BA: 10th
Hard contact allowed: 7th


So pretty objectively not the worst. If anything, Texas is clearly the worst pen in the AL.

Splitting hairs.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Thanks for the Fraizer correction. I mis-remembered the inning.

And I disagree on the second point.

One run game in the 9th. Donaldson, Bautista, EE and Tulo coming up? You go with your best bullpen arm to keep it one-run and hope for a walk-off win. If it was Storen I would have been fine with it as well.

In the playoffs maybe. But most managers wouldn't go with either of their best 2 relievers in that situation. Especially since they pitched yesterday. It's too big of a waste to use them and have them unavailable for tomorrow when your odds of winning around around 5%

I would have used Storen in the 7th for Cecil, but not in the 9th there.

 

[p.l.f.]

Oh no lol

 

[Muston Atthews]

Damn

 

[Canada4Gold]

**** the ball hit Tulo and wel lose

We've found some weird ways to lose, that was strange

 

[Scrub*]

really

 

[Longshot]

I don't pitch Osuna in this game. Storen definitely should have been in the game instead of Floyd

Why? Going into the 9th inning the Jays were behind one run. The only way they win is with a walk off, which means they won't ever be in a save situation. In the bottom of the 9th their four best hitters are due up.

Why not use Osuna (since there will be no save for him to get) to keep it at one run (you hope) and then look for the walk off win with the heart of the order up?

 

[southpaw24]

God damnit tulo

 

[Kurtz]

Osuna pitched this Friday when the Jays were behind.

Good point.


Sigh, if we didn't have bad luck, we wouldn't have any luck at all...

 

[Swervin81]

Well, that's one way to end the game.

 

[sxvnert]

Tulo wanted to go home.

 

[The Nemesis]

Huh. I would not have guessed Texas to be the worst pen in the league.

They've given up the most runs, earned runs, homers (by a significant margin), are one of only two teams with a negative WAR in the pen (and by far the worst), and are generally bottom 3-4 in everything else. Their closer from last year, Shawn Tolleson has been awful. Ex-closer Tom Wilhelmsen has been extra garbagey too. To a man, every regularly-pitching member of that pen other than Diekman and Phil Klein has been a smouldering, burning tire fire.

 

[htpwn]

Man, Jays have found some weird ways to lose this year.

Illegal slides, past balls, now Tułow called out on that (right call, not disputing it).

 

[OmniSens]

What a ******** way to end the game. God, I hate Cecil.

Forgot Lawrie was with Chicago now... LOL.

 

[Brown Dog]

Feels bad man.

 

[Canada4Gold]

back to 2 games below .500, time to start jumping off cliffs again

Dickey v. Sale tomorrow, it's gonna be 2 games under

 

[TNCHL]

Dammit lol

 

[Brown Dog]

back to 2 games below .500, time to start jumping off cliffs again

Dickey v. Sale tomorrow, it's gonna be 2 games under

I see what you did there.