2014 Training Camp Thread

[Calculon]

Gaudreau doesn't fall into the "9 game" group. He signed an NHL contract, not an entry level.

Gaudreau's contract is a standard ELC.

The '9 game' rule only applies to junior eligible prospects.

 

[DCDM]

Gaudreau's contract is a standard ELC.

The '9 game' rule only applies to junior eligible prospects.

You're right, my bad.

 

[MonahanTheMan]

Gaudreau doesn't fall into the "9 game" group. He signed an NHL contract, not an entry level.

Oh, **** me, duh. Well, regardless, once Raymond is healthy, Gaudreau will probably be sent down, yes? Basically he's just the first callup, the first callup just happens to have occurred at the start of the season.

 

[Anglesmith]

Additionally, there's not really room for him on the NHL roster permanently, anyways. Once Raymond is healthy, Gaudreau will probably be sent down, too. I don't see why the Sven camp is so upset. It's a matter of one player getting nine games over the other.

1) Raymond is already healthy. Both Gaudreau and Raymond are in the lineup.

EDIT: No need to pile on regarding 9 games.

 

[MonahanTheMan]

1) Raymond is already healthy. Both Gaudreau and Raymond are in the lineup.
2) Johnny Gaudreau has no junior team to be sent down to. His contract is unable to slide a year no matter what. There is no concept of 9 games with Johnny.
3) Sven has already played 9 games in the NHL. His contract is not able to slide anymore. There is no concept of 9 games with Sven.

I thought Raymond was on IR - am I thinking of someone else? Or did he just get back to game shape?

I addressed the nine-game matter in my previous post, I forgot that JG wasn't on an entry level and Sven is naturally not going to have to be sent back to junior, which I didn't think of, either. I guess what I really meant, to clarify, is that if Raymond is on IR (which it appears he's not) it's a matter of Gaudreau simply getting first callup rather than Sven, but that both will be in the AHL for most of the season because the team is stocked with veterans.

However, if Raymond really isn't on IR, then I understand a bit more where Sven is coming from, although his first goal of course should be to play strong hockey at any level.

 

[Nordberg]

Oh, **** me, duh. Well, regardless, once Raymond is healthy, Gaudreau will probably be sent down, yes? Basically he's just the first callup, the first callup just happens to have occurred at the start of the season.

I don't know about that. He got his low number 13 today. Of course, if he plays really poorly, he'll be demoted, but I don't really see that right now.

 

[Flamesarmstrong22]

I don't know about that. He got his low number 13 today. Of course, if he plays really poorly, he'll be demoted, but I don't really see that right now.

This… obviously a # doesn't mean much but I think in this situation with the flames giving Johnny his #13 today that it signals he may be up with the big club for a while

 

[MonahanTheMan]

I don't know about that. He got his low number 13 today. Of course, if he plays really poorly, he'll be demoted, but I don't really see that right now.

Where though would there be space for him in the lineup? If we are fully healthy:

Glencross - Backlund - Hudler
Raymond - Monahan - Setoguchi
Byron - Stajan - Colborne
Bollig - Bouma - McGrattan
Jones

or some permutation of that

Doesn't really look like there's space for him in that lineup, unless we send a UFA signing down (which the team has basically already made clear isn't happening), or if we send Byron down and shuffle the remaining LWs, which I think is a dumb move considering Byron is at a key place in his development.

 

[Pirate King Luffy]

He would displace Setoguchi or Byron.

 

[Calculon]

Where though would there be space for him in the lineup? If we are fully healthy:

Glencross - Backlund - Hudler
Raymond - Monahan - Setoguchi
Byron - Stajan - Colborne
Bollig - Bouma - McGrattan
Jones

or some permutation of that

Doesn't really look like there's space for him in that lineup, unless we send a UFA signing down (which the team has basically already made clear isn't happening), or if we send Byron down and shuffle the remaining LWs, which I think is a dumb move considering Byron is at a key place in his development.

I think their plan is to rotate Gaudreau, Jones, Setoguchi and Byron in and out of the lineup depending who's playing well (while moving others guys around in the lineup to account for the difference in positions)

 

[Anglesmith]

This… obviously a # doesn't mean much but I think in this situation with the flames giving Johnny his #13 today that it signals he may be up with the big club for a while

Let's not forget that Sven was given #27 before training camp even began.

 

[MonahanTheMan]

I think their plan is to rotate Gaudreau, Jones, Setoguchi and Byron in and out of the lineup depending who's playing well (while moving others guys around in the lineup to account for the difference in positions)

I feel like that's basically a recipe for disaster. Either give Gaudreau a full-time spot or let him play top six in Adirondack. Just give Byron a roster spot period. We should never have signed Setoguchi or Raymond.[mod]

 

[Anglesmith]

I feel like that's basically a recipe for disaster. Either give Gaudreau a full-time spot or let him play top six in Adirondack. Just give Byron a roster spot period. We should never have signed Setoguchi or Raymond.[mod]

The Raymond signing was necessary. You can't go into a season with holes in your top 6 and no proven options in case the rookies don't work out.

And the Setoguchi signing is slightly irrelevant. He isn't bumping anyone out of a roster spot as it stands right this minute. He's in the press box for the opener. He's an option if the other options fail. He's got a low enough cap hit that management won't blink about sending him down if necessary, and he was obtained for nothing, so there is no fear of him being claimed if that happens. He's your typical no risk, potential reward signing.

 

[Pirate King Luffy]

I feel like that's basically a recipe for disaster. Either give Gaudreau a full-time spot or let him play top six in Adirondack. Just give Byron a roster spot period. We should never have signed Setoguchi or Raymond.[mod]

The Raymond signing was a good one.

Edit: what Anglesmith said really.

 

[MonahanTheMan]

The Raymond signing was necessary. You can't go into a season with holes in your top 6 and no proven options in case the rookies don't work out.

And the Setoguchi signing is slightly irrelevant. He isn't bumping anyone out of a roster spot as it stands right this minute. He's in the press box for the opener. He's an option if the other options fail. He's got a low enough cap hit that management won't blink about sending him down if necessary, and he was obtained for nothing, so there is no fear of him being claimed if that happens. He's your typical no risk, potential reward signing.

I see where you're coming from, I suppose, although I think management would certainly think twice before sending Seto down - given that they could've done it already, moved Raymond to the right side and given Gaudreau a permanent roster spot on the second line.

 

[Anglesmith]

I see where you're coming from, I suppose, although I think management would certainly think twice before sending Seto down - given that they could've done it already, moved Raymond to the right side and given Gaudreau a permanent roster spot on the second line.

Seto isn't in the lineup. Sending him down would therefore make no difference to the lineup.

 

[InfinityIggy]

Seto isn't in the lineup. Sending him down would therefore make no difference to the lineup.

Not true. We could call up Sven and have him sit on the bench

 

[Johnny GODreau]

Guy Flaming @TPS_Guy
According to @ttneilhodge secs ago on TPS, the #Oilers beat the #Flames by one day with their camp invitation to Vlad Tkachev. @DuckMillard

@ttneilhodge is Neil Hodge who covers the QMJHL for the Montcton Times & Transcript

Looks like the Flames also invited Vladimir Tkachev but where a day late.

From Sureloss on CP.

 

[Sean Monahan]

I'm for one glad we tried to take a chance on Tkachev. Like our very own JG, he's tiny but tremendously skilled. In fact, he's pretty much a Russian clone of Johnny.

 

[MuffinMerc]

Treliving's gotta up his speed game. But we wouldn't be able to sign the bro anyways, so there is that.

 

[1989]

I'm for one glad we tried to take a chance on Tkachev. Like our very own JG, he's tiny but tremendously skilled. In fact, he's pretty much a Russian clone of Johnny.

Except that the team couldn't own his rights via signing because he's a draft-eligible only player. So why showcase a player when you can't own the contract?

 

[Calculon]

So Burliving and co. didn't know Tkachev couldn't be signed or they didn't care? Not exactly encouraging info there.

 

[Sean Monahan]

Except that the team couldn't own his rights via signing because he's a draft-eligible only player. So why showcase a player when you can't own the contract?

They didn't have to showcase him by letting him play in games. If they knew he's still draft-eligible (though debatable), I'm sure they invited him just to get a better look at him closely. That's exactly why camp invites happen.

 

[1989]

They didn't have to showcase him by letting him play in games. If they knew he's still draft-eligible (though debatable), I'm sure they invited him just to get a better look at him closely. That's exactly why camp invites happen.

How many times do players get signed on a PTO and aren't expected to play a single preseason game if they're fully healthy?

You're arguing rhetorical semantics. Teams don't sign players so they can make sure they have the inside track on their gym workouts. They want to know how they look in game situations.

 

[Anglesmith]

So Burliving and co. didn't know Tkachev couldn't be signed or they didn't care? Not exactly encouraging info there.

Were we under the impression that confusing aspects of the CBA was uncommon?

This is basically the same as how there were teams lining up to sign ROR to an offer sheet, but only Calgary ended up looking bad from it. There were other teams, I'm sure, besides Calgary and Edmonton who were looking to sign Tkachev, but only Edmonton really took criticism for it in the end.

They didn't have to showcase him by letting him play in games. If they knew he's still draft-eligible (though debatable), I'm sure they invited him just to get a better look at him closely. That's exactly why camp invites happen.

I don't believe that's really true. Teams invite players to camp if they think they can strengthen the organization. If there is no chance they give the player a contract out of it, then the player is simply taking a spot and opportunity away from someone who they can offer a contract to.