Prospect Info: 2012-2013 Rangers Prospects Thread (Player Stats in Post #1; Updated 5/9) *Part III*

[Green Blob*]

Grachev was a monster at 6'4, 220 pounds that could fly and he put up great numbers his first year in NA so the hype on him was crazy (heck I bought into it as well).

He just wasn't able to bring his game to the next level at the pro level.


But yea, not sure why people are bringing his name into the mix when talking about St. Croix

 

[Beacon]

2k2, I was gonna post the same, thanks for answering these better than I would have, you are spot on.

MSC has had two great seasons back to back, not like this is new. And he's in his 4th year as an overager, I kind of expect him to put up points and lead that team. We talked him up alot around here pre 2011 draft, the fact that he went in round 4 has to make you wonder why he lasted that long. I still think it was a very good pick.

He is not an overager.

He improved from year to year.

 

[Eye of Ra]

Oscar Lindberg have made Swedens World Championship team. He will play first game against Switzerland on friday on first line with Landeskog and Jimmie Ericsson (the brother of Red Wings Jonathan Ericsson).

 

[NYR Viper]

Oscar Lindberg have made Swedens World Championship team. He will play first game against Switzerland on friday on first line with Landeskog and Jimmie Ericsson (the brother of Red Wings Jonathan Ericsson).

Watch Lindberg have unreal chemistry with Landeskog and the Avs trade the #1 overall to the Rangers....

 

[JimmyG89]

Grachev played with Matt Duchene if I remember correctly. Talk about a great linemate. He was with someone else too, but idk who it was. He was the 3rd player on the line.

 

[NYR Viper]

Grachev played with Matt Duchene if I remember correctly. Talk about a great linemate. He was with someone else too, but idk who it was. He was the 3rd player on the line.

Cody Hodgson

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

Cody Hodgson

playing with Hodgson and Duch can make any young player look like an allstar player.... Grachev sucks.....

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

It's not like Grachev scored every goal off the rebound or off his ass.

He definitely benefitted from playing with those two, but he scored some damn nice goals often on individual efforts. What did Grachev in was 1. footspeed and 2. a poor development path (went from dominating OHLers with his size to being way over his head in the AHL too soon).

NCAA or playing in Europe may have helped. But by a few accounts atttitude may have been an issue as well.

 

[nyr2k2]

Grachev's foot speed was fine, at least when he was in our organization. Definitely above average.

 

[NYR Viper]

It's not like Grachev scored every goal off the rebound or off his ass.

He definitely benefitted from playing with those two, but he scored some damn nice goals often on individual efforts. What did Grachev in was 1. footspeed and 2. a poor development path (went from dominating OHLers with his size to being way over his head in the AHL too soon).

NCAA or playing in Europe may have helped. But by a few accounts atttitude may have been an issue as well.

He did not want to play in Juniors another year. He wanted to get paid. His agent pushed the Rangers to get him in the AHL ASAP. It stunted his growth as he was not ready for it.

Most definitely not an example of a young Russian player pushing to make money and using the KHL to force a teams hand. No such thing. Never happens.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Grachev's foot speed was fine, at least when he was in our organization. Definitely above average.

I should have expanded. Less straight ahead top speed, more acceleration and stop starts. Not great on his edges, tough time maneuvering quickly inside the offensive zone.
Of course this is my memory talking from watching grainy internet feeds.

 

[Pizza]

Grachev is a good example of a cautionary tale. Looking like a monster in junior can be very fleeting. 11 goals in 76 games for Peoria this year. Sheesh!

 

[JimmyG89]

Cody Hodgson

Exactly. But he was 3rd fiddle. You can benefit from the D focusing on those 2 players. As we can see, both are doing well in the NHL. Should Grachev have stayed another year or gone to Europe? Most likely. Forced Rangers hands. He did not handle it well.

 

[NYR Viper]

Exactly. But he was 3rd fiddle. You can benefit from the D focusing on those 2 players. As we can see, both are doing well in the NHL. Should Grachev have stayed another year or gone to Europe? Most likely. Forced Rangers hands. He did not handle it well.

He should have stayed in Brampton. Duchene went straight to the NHL. Hodgson, I believe, was hurt that following year. He would have been the focal point and would have been able to play in all situations. He still had a lot to work on.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

if the Rangers advance go to the 2ed round, any chance of Lindberg getting a look??? he played in a pro league in the SEL, so im sure he is capable of not looking too out of place..

 

[Beacon]

Grachev was a monster at 6'4, 220 pounds that could fly and he put up great numbers his first year in NA so the hype on him was crazy (heck I bought into it as well).

He just wasn't able to bring his game to the next level at the pro level.


But yea, not sure why people are bringing his name into the mix when talking about St. Croix

People always get over-excited about big guys. I don't remember one person being excited about Marc Savard when I was pimping him on the AOL prospects board in the mid-90s. But every time we have a big guy who can skate, people get giddy.

If you correct for draft position, the bigger the player, the worse his odds of making the NHL. This doesn't sound right because there are more big guys than small ones in the NHL, but there's a reason for that: big guys who can play go very early, usually top-3, at worst top-10. After that, you get a big guy and you hope he can develop his skills in the future. That's why they always say that big guys take longer to develop - because they don't possess the skills in their draft year and need years to develop, if they ever do.

A kid standing 5-11 who has all the skill in the world will usually go below a 6-4 player who can kinda, sorta skate and can shoot 75 mph because everyone wants to get another Tkachuk or Getzlaf.

If you take 10 guys drafted in the second round who are 5-10 vs. 10 guys drafted in the second round who are 6-4, the small guys stand a significantly better shot of making it and the gap gets even wider if you only count "impact" players.

 

[BBKers]

Updated

PLAYERS UNDER CONTRACT WITH NEW YORK RANGERS 2013 (50)

NEW YORK RANGERS (27 - 4 players on LTIR)
[table="head;width=4200]Nr |Pos| Player| Caphit| Status| Team| Drafted
1| D | McDonagh, Ryan (ELC) | $1,300,000* |RFA 2013| New York Rangers/NHL | R1 #12 Montreal (2007)
2 |D| Sauer, Michael (LTIR) | $1,250,000 | RFA 2013| New York Rangers/NHL |R2 #40 NYR (2005)
3| F | Stepan, Derek (ELC)| $875,000 | RFA 2013 |New York Rangers/NHL|R2 #51 NYR (2008)
4| F | Hagelin, Carl (ELC) | $875,000* | RFA 2013| New York Rangers/NHL |R6 #168 NYR (2007)
5| F | Zuccarello, Mats| $700,000 | RFA 2013| New York Rangers/NHL | Undrafted
6| F| Clowe, Ryan (DtD)| $3,625,000 | UFA 2013| New York Rangers/NHL| R6 #175 San Jose (2001)
7| D| Hamrlik, Roman | $3,500,000 | UFA 2013| New York Rangers/NHL| R1 #1 Washington (1992)
8| D| Eminger, Steve | $750,000 | UFA 2013| New York Rangers/NHL| R1 #12 Washington (2002)
9| D | Gilroy, Matt| $650,000 | UFA 2013| New York Rangers/NHL | Undrafted
10| F| Brassard, Derick | $3,200,000 | RFA 2014| New York Rangers/NHL| R1 #6 Columbus Blue Jackets (2006)
11| D | Del Zotto, M. | $2,550,000 | RFA 2014| New York Rangers/NHL | R1 #20 NYR (2008)
12| F | Kreider, Chris (ELC)| $1,325,000* | RFA 2014|New York Rangers/NHL | R1 #19 NYR (2009)
13| D| Moore, John (ELC)| $965,000 | RFA 2014| New York Rangers/NHL| R1 #21 Columbus Blue Jackets (2009)
14| G | Lundqvist, Henrik | $6,875,000 | UFA 2014| New York Rangers/NHL | R7 #208 NYR (2000)
15| F | Callahan, Ryan | $4,275,000 | UFA 2014| New York Rangers/NHL| R4 #127 NYR (2004)
16| D| Girardi, Dan | $3,325,000 | UFA 2014| New York Rangers/NHL | Undrafted
17| D| Stralman, Anton| $1,700,000| UFA 2014| New York Rangers/NHL | R7 #216 Toronto (2005)
18| F| Boyle, Brian(LTIR)| $1,700,000 | UFA 2014| New York Rangers/NHL| R1 #26 Los Angeles (2003)
19| F | Pyatt, Taylor | $1,550,000 | UFA 2014| New York Rangers/NHL| R1 #8 New York Isles (1999)
20| F | Powe, Darroll | $1,066,667 | UFA 2014| New York Rangers/NHL | Undrafted
21| G |Biron, Martin | $1,300,000 |UFA 2014| New York Rangers/NHL | R1 #16 Buffalo (1995)
22| F | Asham, Arron | $1,000,000 | UFA 2014| New York Rangers/NHL | R3 #71 Montreal (1996)
23| F | Newbury, Kris | $600,000 |UFA 2014 |New York Rangers/NHL| R5 #139 San Jose (2002)
24| D | Staal, Marc (LTIR) | $3,975,000 | UFA 2015| New York Rangers/NHL | R1 #12 NYR (2005)
25| F| Dorsett, Derek (LTIR) | $1,633,333 | UFA 2015| New York Rangers/NHL| R7 #189 Columbus Blue Jackets (2006)
26| F | Nash, Rick (NMC) | $7,800,000 | UFA 2019| New York Rangers/NHL | R1 #1 Columbus (2002)
27| F | Richards, Brad (NMC) | $6,666,667 | UFA 2020 |New York Rangers/NHL| R3 #64 Tampa Bay (1998)[/table]

Assigned to AHL/ECHL/Europe (23)
[table="head;width=4200]Nr |Pos| Player| Caphit| Status| Team| Drafted
28| D | Niemi, Jyri (ELC) | $700,000*| RFA 2013| Greenville Road Warriors/ECHL| R3 #72 NYI (2008)
29| F | Ferriero, Benn | $700,000 | RFA 2013| Connecticut Whale/AHL| R7 #196 Phoenix (2006)
30| D | Pyett, Logan | $600,000| RFA 2013| Connecticut Whale/AHL| R7 #212 Detroit (2006)
31| F | Palmieri, Nick | $577,500 | RFA 2013| Connecticut Whale/AHL | R3 #79 New Jersey Devils (2007)
32| F | Mashinter, Brandon | $550,000 | RFA 2013| The Black Aces| Undrafted
33| D | Collins, Sean | $600,000 | UFA 2013| Connecticut Whale/AHL| Undrafted
34| F | Segal, Brandon| $550,000 | UFA 2013| The Black Aces| R4 #102 Nashville (2002)
35| D| Vernace, Mike | $525,000| UFA 2013| Connecticut Whale/AHL| R7 #201 San Jose (2004)
36| F | Jean, Kyle (ELC)| $925,000* | RFA 2014| Connecticut Whale/AHL| Undrafted
37| F | Bourque, Ryan (ELC) | $900,000* | RFA 2014| The Black Aces| R3 #80 NYR (2009)
38| G | Missiaen, Jason (ELC) | $750,000* |RFA 2014 | The Black Aces|Undrafted
39| G | Stajcer, Scott (ELC)| $700,000* | RFA 2014| Greenville Road Warriors/ECHL|R5 #140 NYR (2009)
40| F | Wilson, Jason (ELC)| $588,333 | RFA 2014| Greenville Road Warriors/ECHL| R5 #130 NYR (2010)
41| D | Bickel, Stu| $750,000| UFA 2014| The Black Aces | Undrafted
42| F | Haley, Micheal| $600,000 | UFA 2014| The Black Aces| Undrafted
43| D | McIlrath, Dylan (ELC)| $1,295,000* | RFA 2015 | The Black Aces|R1 #10 NYR (2010)
44| F | Miller, J.T. (ELC)| $1,244,167* | RFA 2015 | The Black Aces| R1 #15 NYR (2011)
45| F | Thomas, Christian (ELC)| $970,000* | RFA 2015 | The Black Aces| R2 #40 NYR (2010)
46| F | Fast(h), Jesper (ELC) (DtD)|$900,000* |RFA 2015| Connecticut Whale/AHL|R6 #157 NYR (2010)
47| F | Yogan, Andrew (ELC)| $800,000 | RFA 2015 | Connecticut Whale/AHL| R4 #100 NYR (2010)
48| F | Lindberg, Oscar (ELC) | $760,000* |RFA 2015| Playing for Team Sweden at WC| R2 #57 PHX (2010)
49| F | Hrivik, Marek (ELC)| $685,000* | RFA 2015 |Connecticut Whale/AHL| Undrafted
50| G | Talbot, Cameron | $562,600 | UFA 2015| The Black Aces| undrafted[/table]

CONTRACTED PLAYERS THAT DO NOT COUNT against 50 contract limit in 2013 (6)
[table="head;width=4200]Nr |Pos| Player| Caphit| Status| Team| Drafted
+| D | Allen, Connor (ELC)| $1,775,000*| RFA 2016|Connecticut Whale/AHL?|undrafted
+| D | Hughes, Tommy (ELC)| $608,333| RFA 2016|London Knights/OHL|undrafted
+| F | Nicholls, J. (ELC)| $709,167 | RFA 2016| Juniors - Saskatoon Blades/WHL |R7 #182 Toronto Maple Leafs (2010)
+| F | St. Croix, M. (ELC S)| $665,000 | RFA 2016| Juniors - Edmonton Oil Kings/WHL |R4 #106 NYR (2011)
+| F | Kantor, Michael (ELC)| $583,333| RFA 2016| Juniors - Sudbury Wolves/OHL|Undrafted
+| F | Dodero, Charlie (ELC)| $$ ?? NA| RFA 2016??| Juniors - Sudbury Wolves/OHL|Undrafted
[/table]

Players still unsigned but with rights retained by NYR (there are a few more here I believe)
[table="head;width=2500]Pos| Player|Team| Drafted
D |Pashnin, Mikhail| HC Lokomotiv Yaroslavl/KHL |R7 #200 NYR (2009)
F |Fogarty, Steven| Notre Dame Fighting Irish/CCHA| R3 #72 NYR (2011)
F |McColgan, Shane| Saskatoon Blades/WHL | R5 #134 NYR (2011)
D |Noreau, Samuel | Baie-Comeau Drakkar/LHJMQ |R5 #136 NYR(2011)
D |ČereÅ¡ňák, Peter| Peterborough Petes/OHL| R6 #172 NYR (2011)
D |Skjei, Brady | Minnesota Golden Gophers/WCHA |R1 #28 NYR (2012)
F |Nieves, Cristoval | Michigan Wolverines/CCHA| R2 #59 NYR (2012)
D |Andersson, Calle| Malmö /HA | R4 #119 NYR (2012)
F |Spelling, Thomas| Oskarshamn/HA | R5 #142 NYR(2012)[/table]

* - includes bonus money in contract
ELC - denotes player on Entry Level Contract
NTC - denotes No Trade Clause in Contract
NMC - denotes No Movement Clause in Contract
LTIR - denotes player placed on Long time injury reserve

NYR Draft picks in 2013

• 3rd round Nashville (for NYR 3rd round pick 2012)
• 3rd round NYR
• 3rd round Columbus (in Nash trade 2012, conditional - that NYR do not go to SC finals in 2013)
• 4th round NYR
• 6th round NYR

• NO 1st rounder (traded to Columbus for Rick Nash... 2012)
• NO 2nd rounder (traded to San Jose for Ryan Clowe in 2013)
• NO 5th rounder (traded to Nashville for Nashville 5th 2012 - chose Tomas Spelling at #142)
• NO 7th rounder (traded to Minnesota along with Eric "Crusher" Christensen for Casey Wellman 2012)

NYR Draft picks in 2014

• 1st round NYR
• 3rd round NYR
• 4th round NYR
• 5th round Florida (for Casey Wellman)
• 5th round NYR
• 6th round NYR
• 6th round Columbus (for Marian Gaborik)

• Eventually NO 2nd rounder NYR (conditionally traded to San Jose for Ryan Clowe in 2013 - condition being if he resigns with NYR or NYR get to ECF in 2013 - then San Jose gets the pick. It will be the Rangers' 5th-round pick in 2014 if neither condition is met.)
• Eventually NO 7th rounder (conditionally traded to San Jose along with Tommy "horror-movie" Grant for Brandon Mashinter 2013 - condition being if he resigns with NYR then San Jose gets the pick)

 

[nyr2k2]

Dodero was an AHL signing. He didn't sign with the Rangers. Not yet, anyway.

 

[I Eat Crow]

By most accounts St. Croix has developed into a nice two way player. I see him more as a winger than center in the pros though

 

[Ola]

Curious to know--who gave up on him? I'm been among his most outspoken critics, but I've hardly given up on him.

Also, how did you feel about his first two playoff performances? Were you impressed with them?

St. Croix has undeniable skill. There are still legitimate questions about how his game will translate to the pros. A terrific playoff performance at age 20 in junior hockey does nothing to change my opinion of him as a prospect. Have I written him off? Absolutely not. I'm hopeful but not optimistic about his chances.

Sometimes I post on kids I've followed for a while and seen alot, and I think I often get a half-decent track on them. MSC is not one of those kids I've followed alot, and like kids like Stepan and Hagelin who I also didn't follow much, and had my doubts on, I could definitely be completely off on MSC.

But from the very little I've seen in camps and highlites, I would definitely be suprised if he came as close that he even contended for a job in NY. The reason I say that is just because players from his mold that makes it usually just sticks out more. There are atleast like what, 5/10/15 kids every year in his mold that puts up the numbers he do etc., and of those kids very few actually makes it. I think of Marc Savard for example. Stepan was the best player for the best team in the WJCHs, MSC didn't even make it. Again, from the very little I've seen, MSC does not cover much ice at all. He does not seem to be able to make it in a smaller role, he needs to play in a goto offensive role. If you are like as good as Brad Richards away from the puck and skates the same way etc., you can make it but you need to be extremely good in other areas. Like you need to be able to do what Radulov does with the puck, but better.

In the end, there is definitely a fair share of draft picks that we make that you can write of pretty fast or atleast limit their potential to like becoming a Dale Weise type at best. I am not saying that MSC is one of them, but MSC has definitely not made be a believer yet. If others feel otherwise, that's great to hear. It will be exciting to watch the kid this summer for sure.

 

[Ola]

Watch Lindberg have unreal chemistry with Landeskog and the Avs trade the #1 overall to the Rangers....

Duchene for OL.

 

[Blue Blooded]

Lindberg centering Jimmie Ericsson and Gabriel Landeskog on the 2nd line in practice (nothing new), he's not going to play on either PP unit from the looks of it though.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

No one mentioned this today, but MSC and the Oil Kings won game one of the WHL championship last night 4-1. MSC was scoreless. Game two is on right now, with the Kings down 1-0 in the first period.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Oil Kings are now down 3-0 after two periods just about.

 

[Green Blob*]

Did Lindberg play any games yet? Hows has he looked?