I wrote what I did because we see each and every year teams overpaying for various players. not actually caring about the [publicly available] advanced stat side of things. Either because they have access to a completely different set of stats than you and I and don't rely at all on WAR, xGAR or xGF, but rather their own analysts with their own models and ways to evaluate players, or because they have no clue what they're doing. I know which way I'm leaning.
I don't think anyone should be surprised if Monahan fetched them a 1st. Two years ago we saw Florida pay a 1st for Chiarot.
When I think best trades, the first one I think of is the Lindros trade, where they brought back a player in Peter Forsberg, who was pretty much equal to Lindros, plus a bunch of other great assets which built that team into a juggernaut.
Montreal "traded" future considerations for Monahan + 1st, and then flipped Monahan for 1st + conditional 3rd. You're missing something here. The cost to Montreal for two 1sts + conditional 3rd was future considerations - aka: nothing.Its not 2x 1st pick vs nothing. That would mean that no team get Monahan
Its 2x 1st pick for Monahan. So no its not the best trade in nhl history. You can stop the homerism a little bit
You never give Habs or Habs players propsLol! What an adorable thread.
Master of the junkyard finds a shiny treasure and sells it for $20. King of the world!!
I understand what you're trying to say but thats not how it works.Montreal "traded" future considerations for Monahan + 1st, and then flipped Monahan for 1st + conditional 3rd. You're missing something here. The cost to Montreal for two 1sts + conditional 3rd was future considerations - aka: nothing.
The argument is clearly about tradeable assets. You're not understanding the point. That is correct that trading a player you sign as a UFA for a 1st means you have up nothing, when fans don't care about the dollars that the owner pays and likely will pay regardless. We care about tradeable assets, which is pretty obviously the point here.I understand what you're trying to say but thats not how it works.
The first 1st pick was receive to take the Salary and Cap Hit of Monahan. Maybe from a fan poit of view it's ''nothing'' but from a Business perspective it's not ''nothing'' like you said.
The second first pick would not have been acquired if the habs did not have Monahan. By your logic, a team that signs a free agent and trades him during the season for a 1st round pick is the same as getting a 1st for nothing.
Habs did a great assets management with this trade, but its false to say habs 2x 1st round picks for nothing.
You are not understanding thats the habs did not trade ''nothing'' for a 1st pick! We have different way of seeing things thats it!The argument is clearly about tradeable assets. You're not understanding the point. That is correct that trading a player you sign as a UFA for a 1st means you have up nothing, when fans don't care about the dollars that the owner pays and likely will pay regardless. We care about tradeable assets, which is pretty obviously the point here.
Ugh dude, how are you not getting this?You are not understanding thats the habs did not trade ''nothing'' for a 1st pick! We have different way of seeing things thats it!
Wont waste any time if you don't understand that Monahan IS AN ASSET. If you don't get that, I don't know what to tell you. Lets say the Habs trade savard and receive a 1st. You will say the Habs trade NOTHING for a 1st round pick. If you think that is the correct way of seeing things, you're delusionalUgh dude, how are you not getting this?
Montreal traded zero assets for Monahan + 1st, then traded Monahan for another 1st. They gave up NOTHING and received two 1sts.
You know what dude, this is honestly just an incredible waste of time trying to argue with you. I suggest you take your head out of the sand once in a while.Wont waste any time if you don't understand that Monahan IS AN ASSET. If you don't get that, I don't know what to tell you. Lets say the Habs trade savard and receive a 1st. You will say the Habs trade NOTHING for a 1st round pick. If you think that is the correct way of seeing things, you're delusional
this is incredibly dense lolWont waste any time if you don't understand that Monahan IS AN ASSET. If you don't get that, I don't know what to tell you. Lets say the Habs trade savard and receive a 1st. You will say the Habs trade NOTHING for a 1st round pick. If you think that is the correct way of seeing things, you're delusional
Yeah but Hughes got 2 1sts, that could be 2 Gretzky'sGretzky was traded in his prime.
OK.There are other teams besides the Habs you know.
I also doubt that Sean is going to get a 1st back anyways.
OK.Any team paying a 1st for Monahan is quite stupid and don't consider advanced stats, which are putrid