12-13 Winnipeg Jets Training Camp Thread

[Gump Hasek]

When I saw him at the first open practice, I was surprised - he almost looked "lean". Very good sign!

His individual skills really stand out when you can watch him in practice and isolate more on him, so talented. I really hope he doesn't wear down this season because he appears to have an extra step right now, has some real jump to his skating.

Have they announced if Ladd is injured?

 

[Sweech]

I'm hoping Ladd just caught the flu bug.

Or it's something even less minor.

 

[Mathil8]

Went to watch camp today. The session was approximately 1- 1/2 hours long.

No Ladd; is he injured?

It appeared as if Poni's leg was bothering him, he was labored at times. Antro is back BTW.

They only ran through a few lines of scrimmage, maybe 8 or 10 minutes worth, if that. Pretty standard stuff, 2 on 2s, 4 on 4, etc. Not all that impressed personally, they looked very flat, but it appears as if they were focused mainly upon checking versus offense today.

Byfuglien however... looks fantastic.

Illegal Curve Hockey ‏@IllegalCurve

Coach Noel did say that the captain Andrew Ladd was missing from practice due to personal reasons. No timeline was given. #Jets

Hopefully the "personal reasons" don't keep him from coming tomorrow.

 

[surixon]

His individual skills really stand out when you can watch him in practice and isolate more on him, so talented. I really hope he doesn't wear down this season because he appears to have an extra step right now, has some real jump to his skating.

Have they announced if Ladd is injured?

Hey Gump could you tell me the line combos that they used, and how did Scheifele look?

 

[truck]

Hopefully the "personal reasons" don't keep him from coming tomorrow.

When is his baby due?

 

[truck]

Hey Gump could you tell me the line combos that they used, and how did Scheifele look?

Yes, but please tell everybody, not just the super selfish surixon.

 

[Gump Hasek]

Hopefully the "personal reasons" don't keep him from coming tomorrow.

My wife swears she saw Ladd standing in the corner with some of the training staff & Chevy for a few minutes, so perhaps it was just a preventative maintenance day or something to that effect? Bogo was there as well - watching for a few minutes.

Kane looked loose today, was fooling around with Montoya for a minute or so. He really appears to be trying to fit in more at least.

Scheifele looked good and not at all out of place but also did nothing to stand out from the crowd, was sort of on the perimeter most of the time.

Redmond looks like he might be a bit of a risk; if forced to pick between him and Meech today I'd select Meech for the team; plays near akin to Kulda, safety first. Redmond is obviously the more skilled of the two but seemed a bit erratic. Postma was fairly steady.

Jokinen is a hard working dude; he looked much younger than his age.

 

[Gump Hasek]

The lines were difficult to pin down with Ladd not there. I remember seeing Scheifele with Slater & Thorburn regularly, and Kane with Joker & Welly, but beyond that was a blur because I was continually confusing Machachek with Mase. Sorry, that is the best I can recall right now.

 

[garret9]

No worries Gump! Your info is appreciated x10

 

[truck]

My wife swears she saw Ladd standing in the corner with some of the training staff & Chevy for a few minutes, so perhaps it was just a preventative maintenance day or something to that effect? Bogo was there as well - watching for a few minutes.

Kane looked loose today, was fooling around with Montoya for a minute or so. He really appears to be trying to fit in more at least.

Scheifele looked good and not at all out of place but also did nothing to stand out from the crowd, was sort of on the perimeter most of the time.

Redmond looks like he might be a bit of a risk; if forced to pick between him and Meech today I'd select Meech for the team; plays near akin to Kulda, safety first. Redmond is obviously the more skilled of the but seemed a bit erratic. Postma was fairly steady.

Jokinen is a hard working dude; he looked much younger than his age.

I talked to a bunch of people from out east who say Meech has been far better that Postma or Redmond this year. Redmond would probably benefit from one more year of big minutes anyways.

 

[surixon]

The lines were difficult to pin down with Ladd not there. I remember seeing Scheifele with Slater & Thorburn regularly, and Kane with Joker & Welly, but beyond that was a blur because I was continually confusing Machachek with Mase. Sorry, that is the best I can recall right now.

Thanks Gump. Won't be impressed if Noel continues to trot Mark out with grinders.

 

[Grind]

--The following interruption is brought to you by an incessant need to look at numbers--

On That's Hockey, they were talking to Pierre Maguire and he was saying how the most pressure was on the Lightning (Boucher) in the South East division and that aside from Winnipeg every other team in that division has improved for this coming season.

Sure we are not favorites to win the division, but to exclude the JETS when discussing improvements, comes across as short sighted and uniformed. I'd say we improved more than Florida.

Just gives me another reason to despise him

i know this is going a little back in time (all the way to yesterday) but i ran a quick analysis (half assedly)

I really really don't buy the "omg tampa improved so much" theory.

They picked up a top 4 d man (carle)
a specialist dman (Salo)
and (lets be real for a second here) an unproven goaly who's shown potential in his first 38 games of nhl action.

the jets picked up

a top 6 (arguably 1st liner) forward
a 3rd line/pk forward
a backup whos' shown flashes of brilliance

i'd say the Jets improved just as much as tamp as a high end top 6 c = a top 4 d, a highend 3rd line/pk forward = specialist d
and, whats most interesting here, the difference between montoya and linback might not be that huge.

It's a wild card, Lindback could continue to put up the numbers he's done in his first 38 games (behind a good system, though systems are overrated), but he also wouldn't be the frist nashville goaly who looked good there and struggled elsewhere.

Also, its important to look at these numbers
Goalie A first 38 nhl games:
GAA:2.53
SV%:.914

Goalie B first 38 nhl games:
GAA:2.27
SV% .922


Goalie A is Lindback, Goalie B is Montoya.

I don't believe tampa has improved in any measurable amount more then Winnipeg has until we know if lindback can keep it up as a starter.

The thing is, both have come from very similar situations. They had really good numbers early in there careers in "good system" teams. Now, we know montoya wasn't able to maintain, but I think that's a much more realistic possibility for Lindback then a lot of people (not necessarily people here) are willing to believe.

--you may now return to talking about the current training camp--

 

[Gump Hasek]

PS: The difference between the Byfuglien that I saw today and the one that appeared hobbled at the end of last season was night and day, was near startling in fact; he should be commended for all the hard work that he clearly put in this summer.

Buff was the man out there today.

 

[truck]

--The following interruption is brought to you by an incessant need to look at numbers--



i know this is going a little back in time (all the way to yesterday) but i ran a quick analysis (half assedly)

I really really don't buy the "omg tampa improved so much" theory.

They picked up a top 4 d man (carle)
a specialist dman (Salo)
and (lets be real for a second here) an unproven goaly who's shown potential in his first 38 games of nhl action.

the jets picked up

a top 6 (arguably 1st liner) forward
a 3rd line/pk forward
a backup whos' shown flashes of brilliance

i'd say the Jets improved just as much as tamp as a high end top 6 c = a top 4 d, a highend 3rd line/pk forward = specialist d
and, whats most interesting here, the difference between montoya and linback might not be that huge.

It's a wild card, Lindback could continue to put up the numbers he's done in his first 38 games (behind a good system, though systems are overrated), but he also wouldn't be the frist nashville goaly who looked good there and struggled elsewhere.

Also, its important to look at these numbers
Goalie A first 38 nhl games:
GAA:2.53
SV%:.914

Goalie B first 38 nhl games:
GAA:2.27
SV% .922


Goalie A is Lindback, Goalie B is Montoya.

I don't believe tampa has improved in any measurable amount more then Winnipeg has until we know if lindback can keep it up as a starter.

The thing is, both have come from very similar situations. They had really good numbers early in there careers in "good system" teams. Now, we know montoya wasn't able to maintain, but I think that's a much more realistic possibility for Lindback then a lot of people (not necessarily people here) are willing to believe.

--you may now return to talking about the current training camp--

I think you are underrating Carle a little bit. He is a very solid all minutes defender.

Lindback's performance doesn't have to be incredible, it just has to be better than what they had last year. I see them being quite a bit better, but yeah not sure if they improved more than Winnipeg. We added Peluso!!

 

[Jet]

PS: The difference between the Byfuglien that I saw today and the one that appeared hobbled at the end of last season was night and day, was near startling in fact; he should be commended for all the hard word he clearly put in this summer.

Buff was the man out there today.

Honestly, this is some of the best news I have heard Jets-wise in a long time.

This guy is so capable of becoming a Norris winner.

 

[Grind]

I think you are underrating Carle a little bit. He is a very solid all minutes defender.

Lindback's performance doesn't have to be incredible, it just has to be better than what they had last year. I see them being quite a bit better, but yeah not sure if they improved more than Winnipeg. We added Peluso!!

I don't think i'm underrating carle (maybe my words are?)

I see carl as a very good second pairing dman/a subpar first pairing dman. Just like I see olli as a very good second line c/subpar first line C, so i'd put them at about equal value.

used to follow the flyers, I liked carle, but when he played top pairing he played with pronger. Whenever pronger was out carle looked out of place on that line.

 

[Gump Hasek]

I also recall Antro skating with Poni regularly and a mystery AHL guy on the other wing, either Mase or Macho.

Poni clearly had an issue with one of his legs, was shaking it after every shift. May have just been a cramp though because he stuck with it without ever checking with the trainers.

 

[SensibleGuy]

Might just be dealing with the after effects of the (apparently) fairly intense skate they had yesterday. Maybe some stiffness/soreness...

 

[jetkarma*]

PS: The difference between the Byfuglien that I saw today and the one that appeared hobbled at the end of last season was night and day, was near startling in fact; he should be commended for all the hard word he clearly put in this summer.

Buff was the man out there today.

Thanks for the information.

Buff was essentially a 65 point guy last year , that is HARD to dismiss. Second year , fit ( weight and injury wise ) this is a big time player imo.

 

[ps241]

PS: The difference between the Byfuglien that I saw today and the one that appeared hobbled at the end of last season was night and day, was near startling in fact; he should be commended for all the hard word he clearly put in this summer.

Buff was the man out there today.

Let me be the 2nd (edit 3rd or 4th now) to jump in here. I had big issues with Buff's off ice (dry land) commitment to the Jets last year. My theory was no matter how good his numbers were that they would be much better if he committed to showing up in shape like all the other guys. I would have trolled Buff if he showed up over weight and on the flip side right now I am giving him a standing O for being a professional and bringing the best version of himself to the camp

 

[Lynk]

Perhaps the arrival of his new child forced him to mature and stick to a strict diet and exercise program......


Or maybe he just hasn't had enough time to do anything other than workout with the time constraints that come with having a newborn.

 

[Huffer]

PS: The difference between the Byfuglien that I saw today and the one that appeared hobbled at the end of last season was night and day, was near startling in fact; he should be commended for all the hard word he clearly put in this summer.

Buff was the man out there today.

I've said it before, if Buff was in good shape (good for him anyway. Enough to not tire as much), and played the game with a bit more emphasis on playing good D, and an increased desire to play physical and mean, I think he could be one of the very best D men in the league. He is certainly a very unique package.

 

[Gump Hasek]

As an aside, at the same time we walked into the IcePlex the Jets were all coming downstairs from a session at the gym. Wellwood was signing autographs as we walked by and it is shocking how much he resembles Quagmire from Family Guy when you see him up close and in person.

#17

#giggity giggity

 

[ps241]

Perhaps the arrival of his new child forced him to mature and stick to a strict diet and exercise program......


Or maybe he just hasn't had enough time to do anything other than workout with the time constraints that come with having a newborn.

same as Welly Lynk....he has the young child as well and is suppose to be very fit…………….hmmmmm?

my theory is these guys love their kids but absolutely need a reason to get out of the house and without real hockey........ergo the fitness kick

 

[Lynk]

same as Welly Lynk....he has the young child as well and is suppose to be very fit…………….hmmmmm?

my theory is these guys love their kids but absolutely need a reason to get out of the house and without real hockey........ergo the fitness kick

My thoughts as well.