Zibanejad vs Silfverberg

[Vesa Awesaka]

Honestly I don't remember reading those specific names. I do remember that BM quote though about noesen and the pick.
Maybe if I saw my post around the link it refresh my memory.

Gosh darn lol. Im not sure how to link posts and it was in the teens or twenties(for pages) of the original trade thread lol

I copied and pasted your link and what you said though

You wrote this word for word.

"By the way, the Ducks wanted two of the following three Senators roster players for Ryan: defenceman Jared Cowen, forwards Zibanejad and Silfverberg."

and linked this but the link is dead

http://www.senatorsextra.com/main/claesson-and-a-band-of-brothers-stand-out-at-development-camp

 

[Icelevel]

Gosh darn lol. Im not sure how to link posts and it was in the teens or twenties(for pages) of the original trade thread lol

I copied and pasted your link and what you said though

You wrote this word for word.



and linked this but the link is dead

http://www.senatorsextra.com/main/claesson-and-a-band-of-brothers-stand-out-at-development-camp

I remember all that except where that tweet? came from. Can't say whether it was a reliable source or not.
I can confirm the Murray quote. I remember that well.

Edit: FOUND missing link
https://www.google.ca/url?q=http://...4QFjAB&usg=AFQjCNFtY_bby2S6xQmLsGZsBsA12B7gOw
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Wayne scanlan writes
"TRADE TALK
Bryan Murray said he will consider further moves, but is likely done for the summer after the trade that delivered winger Bobby Ryan from Anaheim for Jacob Silfverberg Stefan Noesen and a first round pick.
“I don’t want to give up more kids right now if I can help it,†Murray said. “Eventually we’ll have to move a couple of young guys to get a piece. Right now, we’ve got a couple of young guys that really deserve a chance to come to camp and see where they fit and if we have to make a move at that time we’ll do it.â€
While he admires Jaromir Jagr and thinks he can still play at age 41, Murray feels he’s too expensive as a free agent and is the type of veteran to acquire at a trade deadline.
By the way, the Ducks wanted two of the following three Senators roster players for Ryan: defenceman Jared Cowen, forwards Zibanejad and Silfverberg. ON PLAYING ZIBA AT C
Murray imagines Ryan on the left side with Jason Spezza at centre and Milan Michalek on the right wing. One day, perhaps soon, the Senators would like to see Zibanejad settle in at centre, although he has been used mostly at wing in the NHL so far.
“I will talk to (head coach) Paul (MacLean) about that, but if we could get him playing in the middle we could have a real dynamic centre for a lot of years here,†Murray said.
Ottawa Citizen LOADED: 07.10.2013"

 

[Sensinitis]

Zib ainec

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Cowen, Silfv or Zib it doesn't matter now that it happened and please... lets not think that there was a scenario we coulda moved Cowen instead of SIlfv

Come on RKL, get your **** together

Looooooooooool I meant Alfie yes. It happened an hour or 2 after we lost Alfie.

 

[ChocolateLeclaire]

Cowen, Silfv or Zib it doesn't matter now that it happened and please... lets not think that there was a scenario we coulda moved Cowen instead of SIlfv



Looooooooooool I meant Alfie yes. It happened an hour or 2 after we lost Alfie.

Says right above you that that scenario never existed. It was either Cowen and Zibby, Cowen and Silf or Silf and Zibby.

I would rather we gave up what we did than Cowen and Silf because I can only imagine what this place would be like if Cowen actually reached his potential in Anaheim.

 

[ChocolateLeclaire]

vs.

but OMG DAT SILF RELEASE!!

I'll give it to Silf that he dominates at the shootout. And yes he has a superb shot, elite even. But how many times have we seen Zib start the SO off with a sick snipe?

Answer: many.

I mean good grief, if it was a choice on who to include in the trade, you have to deal Silf instead of Zibane all day.

btw Zib scored on Big Bish, deal with it haterz loolz..

3 on 3 kicks in next year. Shootout specialists become that less important in the game. Thankfully.

 

[Vesa Awesaka]

Says right above you that that scenario never existed. It was either Cowen and Zibby, Cowen and Silf or Silf and Zibby.

I would rather we gave up what we did than Cowen and Silf because I can only imagine what this place would be like if Cowen actually reached his potential in Anaheim.

Am i misreading? It says they wanted two of Cowen, Silf and Zibby no?

Never says they asked specifical for one of Silf, Cowen or Zibby in murray's counter

I dont think anyone can say confidently that replacing Cowen with Silf stops the deal. All we know is that they really liked Cowen, Silf and Zibby and also liked Noeson.

Cowen+Noeson+1st seems like a very real possibility to me.

Murray got them to accept one of Cowen, Zibby and Silf because he added a first and added Noeson

Also Cowen was still thought highly of at the time but he was coming off a **** playoffs against the pens where he was our weakest defender and abused by Crosby

 

[VictorLustig]

Zibby all day, every day.

He is 21. Silf is 24. Their production is the same now and that's not even taking into account that Zib will get stronger and faster.

Zib plays almost 3 minutes of PP per game now while Silfverberg doesn't play on the PP at all (except for the later half of the playoffs).

 

[Vesa Awesaka]

Zib plays almost 3 minutes of PP per game now while Silfverberg doesn't play on the PP at all (except for the later half of the playoffs).

Silf did play on the pp this year(not alot) and at Zib's age in ottawa Silf played on the pp more then he does now.

Zibby does play quite a bit on the pp though

I think its reasonable to think with PP time Silf scores similar to Zibby this year but then again hes 2-3 years older so it doesnt really matter

 

[OTownApologist]

I think it sucks that the 1st ended up being Nick Ritchie, and guys like Max Domi or Dylan Larkin were also there. It ended up being Silfverberg+Noesen+Ritchie.

 

[Nordic*]

Right now, Silfverberg is clearly the better player. In 5 years? Who knows, my money is still on Silfver.

 

[Xamar*]

Right now, Silfverberg is clearly the better player. In 5 years? Who knows, my money is still on Silfver.

I don't know about clearly but you have to remember that Silf has 3 years on him... I'm sure Silf might be borderline better now but I have no doubt that Zibby will be great. So will Silf but I'm glad we kept Zibanejad the centre. Two studs tho ..

 

[VictorLustig]

Silf did play on the pp this year(not alot) and at Zib's age in ottawa Silf played on the pp more then he does now.

Zibby does play quite a bit on the pp though

I think its reasonable to think with PP time Silf scores similar to Zibby this year but then again hes 2-3 years older so it doesnt really matter

No he didn't. He wasn't on the first two units, 30 seconds per game on a "third unit" is basically nothing.

Zibanejad put up 30% of his points on the PP.

 

[BigBush*]

Definitely glad we kept Zib. Has the higher ceiling for sure.

Good for Silf, hes really breaking out and had a great playoffs. Type of player you win with

 

[Lenny the Lynx]

Lindberg is better than both combined

 

[ChocolateLeclaire]

Right now, Silfverberg is clearly the better player. In 5 years? Who knows, my money is still on Silfver.

Yeah, he's not CLEARLY the better the player. You're clearly mesmerized by one strong playoff run for Silfverberg but at age TWENTY, Zbad already had the same points-per-game average as Silf's best season so far (at age 24).

2014-2015 Silfverberg (age 24) - PPG - 0.48
2013-2014 Zibanejad (age 20) - PPG - 0.48
2014-2015 Zibanejad (age 21) - PPG - 0.58

Even their playoff ppg averages are nearly the same NOW.

Zib is better. Zib, when he is 24, will be MUCH better than Silf is right now and he will still end up being the better player. Everything about Zib's game is better than Silf's minus his shot. And even then, Zibby has an incredible shot.

**** Silfverberg. All hail Zibanejad.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

When Zibanejad is 24 I expect this guy to be a force and one of the talked about better number 1 C's in the league.

 

[Boud]

Yeah, he's not CLEARLY the better the player. You're clearly mesmerized by one strong playoff run for Silfverberg but at age TWENTY, Zbad already had the same points-per-game average as Silf's best season so far (at age 24).

2014-2015 Silfverberg (age 24) - PPG - 0.48
2013-2014 Zibanejad (age 20) - PPG - 0.48
2014-2015 Zibanejad (age 21) - PPG - 0.58

Even their playoff ppg averages are nearly the same NOW.

Zib is better. Zib, when he is 24, will be MUCH better than Silf is right now and he will still end up being the better player. Everything about Zib's game is better than Silf's minus his shot. And even then, Zibby has an incredible shot.

**** Silfverberg. All hail Zibanejad.

Silf is much better defensively .

I do agree with most of what you are saying BTW, I feel like you have a unrational hate for Silfverberg because he is a great player.

 

[Lenny the Lynx]

Silf is much better defensively .

I do agree with most of what you are saying BTW, I feel like you have a unrational hate for Silfverberg because he is a great player.

I think the word is anti-rational

 

[DrunkUncleDenis]

I think the word is anti-rational

I think peoples' love affair with Silf over the course of 3 playoff rounds has put a bitter taste in Choco's mouth. Silf is a great player. Zib will be better.

 

[Boud]

I think the word is anti-rational

Thanks! I'm french so I don't know all those little english grammar rules

EDIT: just looked, its actually irrational loll Took me a good 5 minutes to figure out it was a joke HAHA

 

[Micklebot]

Gosh darn lol. Im not sure how to link posts and it was in the teens or twenties(for pages) of the original trade thread lol

I copied and pasted your link and what you said though

You wrote this word for word.



and linked this but the link is dead

http://www.senatorsextra.com/main/claesson-and-a-band-of-brothers-stand-out-at-development-camp

Here is a working copy of that link, thanks to professor peabody and his way back machine.

http://web.archive.org/web/20130713...and-of-brothers-stand-out-at-development-camp

Edit: seems like you guys already found it. Oh well, I'll just carry on then.

 

[ChocolateLeclaire]

Silf is much better defensively .

I do agree with most of what you are saying BTW, I feel like you have a unrational hate for Silfverberg because he is a great player.

He is NOT a great player...YET. He is a good player who had a great playoff run. This is why I get very annoyed with Silfverberg fans on this board. He's been placed into some mythological status because of one...ONE great playoff run. People are ignoring that his career high as a player has been 39 points, which makes him an average 2nd liner or a great 3rd liner.

For the record, I LIKE Silfverberg. I'm baffled that anyone with a functioning brain could actually think that Silf is better than Zbad. Especially when Zbad is better at nearly every facet of the game than him NOW and he's THREE ****** years younger than him. Even the whole "better defensively" than him is questionable in that Zib has FAR more responsibility defensively as a center than a winger. And IMO, he did an amazing job centering a line with Ryan and a rookie in Hoffman.

The NHL's history is littered with guys who have had great playoff runs and then gravitated right back to their norm the following year. Top of head, there was Bryan Bickell (thanks Benny) and I remember Fernando Freakin' Pisani going ham for Edmonton during their Cup run.

If Silf translates to a point-a-game guy next season, I will personally smelt iron and build a giant statue in his likeness in front of the CTC so as to serve as a constant reminder to management that we never should have traded him. If he hits 60 points next year, I'll give him mad props. But holy **** the fact that this thread even exists, and there are people that genuinely think it's a close comparison between Zibby and Silf just goes to show you how insane the overvaluing of Silf has become on this board by some people.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

I think it sucks that the 1st ended up being Nick Ritchie, and guys like Max Domi or Dylan Larkin were also there. It ended up being Silfverberg+Noesen+Ritchie.

I think it's a safe bet that none of them will be as good as Ryan

A solid second liner, a solid prospect and a first for one of the better RWs in the NHL strikes me as fair

Also worth keeping in mind that Anaheim is a much better team than Ottawa and will likely be for the next four to five years: any success those players have there isn't "transferrable" to here, for example Silf without Kesler probably doesn't produce anywhere near as much

 

[Indrew]

Eh, who cares? Silf no showed in the only 2 games he played this season that mattered to me.

Head to head this season:

Zib: 2G, 1A, 3P, +4
Silf: 0G, 0A, 0P, -4

Dominated.

By using these numbers I can extrapolate what a SCF would look like between these two guys.

Basically, Zibby > Silf AINECNEALB