... then go whine on the Wings board. What are you even doing here if the Olympics don't matter to you?
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This rule also applies to this board. In other word, the International tournament board is here for the enjoyement of fans of international hockey. Don't post here if you want to bash the Olympics. The Red Wings, NHL or Business boards are the places to discuss the impact of Zetterberg's injury on Detroit's season.
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Can't players make more money in the KHL? I would imagine the NHL is the most appealing league because it's where the best players in the world all come together and compete. The NHL offers international talent the chance to be the best hockey player they can be. The money is amazing if you're a top end player, certainly better than anything you'd get in the SEL, but it's not the only motivating factor.
If the Owners and GMs of the NHL are going to follow the same tune as you, I'm going to be really curious to see what happens in 2018 with players breaching contracts and what not. This is the Olympics. Not allowing athletes to represent their country, a source of tremendous pride for ANYONE IN ANY NATION (not just Swedes by the way), is a disgrace. It's a myopic business decision and it would be a real shame to never be able to see this level of excitement again.
In this instance it appears he was not 100% healthy. Yet Detroit still played him.When a player signs a contract the team paying his bills has the right to tell them where they can & can't play, assuming they are 100% healthy.
When he plays for that team, sure. When he plays for Sweden though his #1 focus should be on helping Sweden, not the Wings.An NHL player's #1 focus should be on helping his team
"You can play in the Olympics, however, any injury you receive, be it a new injury or aggravating an old one, you will not be receiving a pay check from us, the NHL, the IIHF or anyone else until you are recovered from your injury. We respect the ambition and pride involved in wanting to represent your country, and wish you tremendous success. However, we've made a substantial financial commitment for you to play for our hockey team and an injury sustained while NOT playing for our hockey team is not something we feel was in our best interest upon agreeing to this long financial commitment to you."
In this instance it appears he was not 100% healthy. Yet Detroit still played him.
If Detroit can play him, I don't see why Sweden shouldn't.
When he plays for that team, sure. When he plays for Sweden though his #1 focus should be on helping Sweden, not the Wings.
Confirmed.
Last time he had this he didn't skate for two weeks and initial reports having him dealing with a lot more pain, for instance he wasn't bed ridden last time which is some of what is being reported today.
You referred to the Olympics as a "tournament that might not mean a whole lot to you". I simply went on with your sentence using the same generic "you".I like the Olympics a great deal, have said as much. Doesn't change the fact again this sucks for three entities. Cannot remember once saying I don't care about the Olympics.
Well they have no reason to be upset then. If they don't care for the Olympics and feel the need to say so in the Olympics board, then they should be prepared to read that we don't care about Detroit and not be upset about it.When challenged I was explaining why the people you are saying who gives a **** to might be fairly upset and yes some of those probably don't care for the tournament,
It's not about feeling better, it's just that we are on the Olympics board, so of course Sweden takes precedence over Detroit. I expect the reverse to be true on the Wings board which I don't visit because I don't care about the Wings.It is rough blow to all of hockey, one of the 20 best players in the entire world went down for an indefinite period of time yesterday during the Olympics and will continue to be out for what sounds like long after. If it makes you feel better to just ignore one angle,
It makes no difference. The NHL team is supposed to take care of their assets and if a player is not healthy he should not be allowed to play. If team decide to disregard his condition and play him anyway, then of course they should be the one paying the price if an injury happens.You type this as though Zetterberg was begging not to play and Babcock, Holland, and Ilitch were tazering him until he got onto the ice.
It happens all the time that grown men are forbidden to work and are required to rest disirregardless of whether they want it or not. It shouldn't be their decision, that's the doctor's job.You so easily make sensationalist claims that the NHL doesn't treat players like people, but like an inventory item. Yet you are guilty of the same. Maybe Zetterberg, a grown man, made an adult decision to play through some pain because he loves playing hockey? Maybe he wanted to get as much hockey in before the Olympics so he could be as ready as possible to represent his country?
I don't blame him, I blame whoever plays injured players. My employer is responsible for not putting my health at risk while I'm working for him. If he knows of a risk and disregards it resulting in an injury, he's punishable by the law, so of course I will blame him.If he wants to play the game he loves in Detroit, even though he's injured, who the hell are you to blame him or the Red Wings just because he's now not healthy to play for your Olympic team?
It makes no difference. The NHL team is supposed to take care of their assets and if a player is not healthy he should not be allowed to play. If team decide to disregard his condition and play him anyway, then of course they should be the one paying the price if an injury happens.
It happens all the time that grown men are forbidden to work and are required to rest disirregardless of whether they want it or not. It shouldn't be their decision, that's the doctor's job.
I don't blame him, I blame whoever plays injured players. My employer is responsible for not putting my health at risk while I'm working for him. If he knows of a risk and disregards it resulting in an injury, he's punishable by the law, so of course I will blame him.
Back injuries are awful.
Something as simple as bending down to tie your skate, or reaching for a box of cereal on the top shelf of the cabinet can do you in.
Hope to see him recover quickly. Never like to see good guys like that get injured.
It does? Not in the United States...It happens all the time that grown men are forbidden to work and are required to rest disirregardless of whether they want it or not. It shouldn't be their decision, that's the doctor's job.
Damn it seems like some of the Olympic fans in this thread are like NHL haters or something... Comments like "Who the hell cares about NHL team X" and whatnot.
Didn't think I would find that here.. I thought everyone on this forum watched NHL hockey.
I don't think people outside of NA, by and large, really care about the NHL. I know I would if I was there but I've always gotten the vibe that it isn't a big deal for them. I don't know if they somehow feel cheated by losing their good players to the NHL, can't get a good feed for the games or what exactly it is.
It does? Not in the United States...
A lot of NA's talk down the WHC and even the Olympics which we europeans find pretty ridiculous. WHC I can understand to some extent, it isn't very exciting. But the Olympics? Come on... Giroux and St Louis was devastated when they weren't selected. I think that tells more about the Olympics and national team play than you want to admit. The players want to represent their countries in a best-on-best tournament.
Hypothetical:
Would it be at all unfair for an NHL team to legally inform a player in 2018 (assuming they're allowed to play in the OG)
Players are still allowed to represent their country. Teams are not bound to any financial commitment until their player is healed. Seems like a fair compromise
Can't players make more money in the KHL? I would imagine the NHL is the most appealing league because it's where the best players in the world all come together and compete. The NHL offers international talent the chance to be the best hockey player they can be. The money is amazing if you're a top end player, certainly better than anything you'd get in the SEL, but it's not the only motivating factor.
If the Owners and GMs of the NHL are going to follow the same tune as you, I'm going to be really curious to see what happens in 2018 with players breaching contracts and what not. This is the Olympics. Not allowing athletes to represent their country, a source of tremendous pride for ANYONE IN ANY NATION (not just Swedes by the way), is a disgrace. It's a myopic business decision and it would be a real shame to never be able to see this level of excitement again.