Zegras-McTavish

[HanSolo]

Zegras is on his way to superstardom, McTavish could be even better and Drysdale is unsung by compare.

But Zellweger might get 9, and Mintyukov is at least a year away from maybe getting his 9, neither are close to being impact players over a full season.

They were just sellers at the deadline. I kind of think they got Klingberg for a year as an additional layer of insulation for Zellweger and to an extent Drysdale.

Ducks will be better but I still don’t see them being good, they should stay the course for another year or maybe two and rely on growth.

Since this is also about McTavish, what strikes me about him is he's not quite as much of a high involvement player as Zegras. Zegras is a guy that if he had his way he'd control the play for his entire shift. McTavish spends more time reading the situation and acts when he determines it's best to. It doesn't lend to quite as high of a superstar outlook in his game, but his execution, decision making are terrific and he's likely going to grow into a player physically stronger when possessing the puck than Zegras, so I could still see him being an 80+ point player if everything goes right.

I would like to see him get a little more of that play pushing instinct in him though.

 

[Gliff]

In 2006-07, Crosby was 19, Malkin was 20. Zegras was 20 for most of last season

2007 Crosby - 79GP, 36G, 120PTS
2007 Malkin - 76GP, 33G, 85PTS
2022 Zegras - 75GP, 23G, 61PTS

Soooo no. Not quite. Some perspective: Zegras as a rookie put up basically the same numbers as William Nylander did as a rookie but in a much higher scoring league. Nobody loves Nylander as much as I do, but he's also not Sid or Malkin lol.

Look at the top scorers of that Leafs team and compare it to the Ducks.

Z will not be Sid and no one is expecting that, the OP is a troll.

 

[zodiacbiller]

Look at the top scorers of that Leafs team and compare it to the Ducks.

Z will not be Sid and no one is expecting that, the OP is a troll.

The teammates argument is kinda double edged because being on a bad team gives you more time on ice, gives you more opportunity to point-suck and be the focal point of the play. And again, scoring has gone way up since then. They also didn't force Zegras onto the wing and stifle his offensive play like the Leafs have done for six years misusing Nylander. Zegras may one day be as good as Nylander, but he's still a long way from this thread being worth entertaining.

 

[bsu]

The teammates argument is kinda double edged because being on a bad team gives you more time on ice, gives you more opportunity to point-suck and be the focal point of the play. And again, scoring has gone way up since then. They also didn't force Zegras onto the wing and stifle his offensive play like the Leafs have done for six years misusing Nylander. Zegras may one day be as good as Nylander, but he's still a long way from this thread being worth entertaining.

Zegras made Milano look like a NHLer. That's all I need to know about Zegras season. Milano is the main reason his numbers aren't better, I never seen such a terrible defensive player in a while. Zegras would spend many shifts chasing in the D zone because Milano is flying or doesn't feel like laying a finger on anyone.

 

[zodiacbiller]

Zegras made Milano look like a NHLer. That's all I need to know about Zegras season. Milano is the main reason his numbers aren't better, I never seen such a terrible defensive player in a while. Zegras would spend many shifts chasing in the D zone because Milano is flying or doesn't feel like laying a finger on anyone.

The Ducks allow 2.58 xGA per 60 minutes with Trevor Zegras on the ice, and 2.39 xGA per 60 with Zegras and Milano.

 

[Gliff]

The teammates argument is kinda double edged because being on a bad team gives you more time on ice, gives you more opportunity to point-suck and be the focal point of the play. And again, scoring has gone way up since then. They also didn't force Zegras onto the wing and stifle his offensive play like the Leafs have done for six years misusing Nylander. Zegras may one day be as good as Nylander, but he's still a long way from this thread being worth entertaining.

Noone is saying you should entertain the OP. He is trolling. Literally not one Ducks fan thinks he will be Sid.

 

[bsu]

The Ducks allow 2.58 xGA per 60 minutes with Trevor Zegras on the ice, and 2.39 xGA per 60 with Zegras and Milano.

Cool turn a game on.

 

[ff8]

The Ducks allow 2.58 xGA per 60 minutes with Trevor Zegras on the ice, and 2.39 xGA per 60 with Zegras and Milano.

What a take

 

[zodiacbiller]

What a take

It's not really a take, that's not a meaningful difference, it's just that you'd think there'd be some sort of evidence that Zegras is having to carry Milano defensively and there just isn't.

 

[bsu]

It's not really a take, that's not a meaningful difference, it's just that you'd think there'd be some sort of evidence that Zegras is having to carry Milano defensively and there just isn't.

I mean I'm not going to argue with someone that doesn't want any Duck games most likely. They were terrible last year and no one stayed up watching them. With your logic though you should watch games with advanced stats instead of people actually playing. Like a NHL 22 simulation. He carried Milano all over the ice and now he's a free agent with not much interest from what I've seen. Can't wait til Zegras gets some real NHL talent next to him.

 

[zodiacbiller]

I mean I'm not going to argue with someone that doesn't want any Duck games most likely. They were terrible last year and no one stayed up watching them. With your logic though you should watch games with advanced stats instead of people actually playing. Like a NHL 22 simulation. He carried Milano all over the ice and now he's a free agent with not much interest from what I've seen. Can't wait til Zegras gets some real NHL talent next to him.

You're incoherent, making random accusations, and don't know what you're talking about.

 

[thrillermiller89]

Zegras is the least accomplished NHL cover athlete of all time. Talk about overhyped, more we’re comparing them to Crosby/Malkin… jeez

 

[ohcomeonref]

Zegras is the least accomplished NHL cover athlete of all time. Talk about overhyped, more we’re comparing them to Crosby/Malkin… jeez

He's more interesting to the casual fan or even non-fans than probably anyone else in the league. Hockey is a business and he's marketable as hell.

 

[HanSolo]

You're incoherent, making random accusations, and don't know what you're talking about.

And you're hoping to be taken seriously with this debate tactic?

 

[NyQuil]

ZEGRAS-MCTAVISH

The next

CROSBY-MALKIN

?

SKILL/FINESSE - SKILL/FORCE

Hey now

Crosby and Malkin won a Cup in 2017 without a #1 defenceman.

Letang was injured for the playoffs.

 

[Tyrus]

He's more interesting to the casual fan or even non-fans than probably anyone else in the league. Hockey is a business and he's marketable as hell.

Yep and it's not even because of his play either, dude just has the Cali f*** boy look that sells to younger audiences.

He's nowhere near as entertaining to watch than McDavid or Makar, but he looks like a bonafide TikToker so the NHL is going full buy on the hype.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Yep and it's not even because of his play either, dude just has the Cali f*** boy look that sells to younger audiences.

He's nowhere near as entertaining to watch than McDavid or Makar, but he looks like a bonafide TikToker so the NHL is going full buy on the hype.

He’s more entertaining to watch than McDavid or Makar. Not as good of course

 

[Tyrus]

He’s more entertaining to watch than McDavid or Makar. Not as good of course

How, because he pulled a couple moves in a couple games?

McDavid is a 6'1 dude who skates end to end while dangling between 5 players multiple times a game. He's done everything Zegras has ever done and highlights wise and then some, and on a game to game basis it's ridiculously in McDavid's favor.

If physical marketability is ignored and we talk purely hockey, it's really not close even for casual fans. McDavid legit looks like he's playing against junior players multiple times every single game, that stuff is mesmerizing.

 

[Gliff]

Zegras is the least accomplished NHL cover athlete of all time. Talk about overhyped, more we’re comparing them to Crosby/Malkin… jeez

Literally noone outside OP (who has 3 absurd posts and probably a troll) is comparing him to Sid or Malkin.

 

[bsu]

And you're hoping to be taken seriously with this debate tactic?

Whenever someone tries to look cool doing that online I literally just block them. Luckily around these forums it doesn't happen as much as in other places. Laziest form of trolling there is.

 

[ff8]

Zegras is the least accomplished NHL cover athlete of all time. Talk about overhyped, more we’re comparing them to Crosby/Malkin… jeez

Literally 1 person who was clearly trolling compared them lmao get outta here

 

[ff8]

How, because he pulled a couple moves in a couple games?

McDavid is a 6'1 dude who skates end to end while dangling between 5 players multiple times a game. He's done everything Zegras has ever done and highlights wise and then some, and on a game to game basis it's ridiculously in McDavid's favor.

If physical marketability is ignored and we talk purely hockey, it's really not close even for casual fans. McDavid legit looks like he's playing against junior players multiple times every single game, that stuff is mesmerizing.

None of what you’re saying about McDavid is wrong, but if you really don’t think he’s entertaining to watch you’re either being disingenuous or you’re blind. It’s a f***ing video game cover and yeah he did some “dumb” trick shots but he actually has a personality so of course they’re running with it. Anyone genuinely surprised or upset by this is just looking for something to bitch about

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

How, because he pulled a couple moves in a couple games?

McDavid is a 6'1 dude who skates end to end while dangling between 5 players multiple times a game. He's done everything Zegras has ever done and highlights wise and then some, and on a game to game basis it's ridiculously in McDavid's favor.

If physical marketability is ignored and we talk purely hockey, it's really not close even for casual fans. McDavid legit looks like he's playing against junior players multiple times every single game, that stuff is mesmerizing.

Mcdavids problem is his personality…. He is awkward and boring af. Same could be said about matthews.

I think people are misunderstanding what game cover athlete is…. You got a lot of people talking bout best hockey player, but we already give out awards for that. The cover athlete is someone who the game/league find marketable…. Guess what zegras checks all those boxes…. The league pushed him into the all star event because they find him so marketable…. And he pretty much the only memorable part of the event…. It’s crazy to me that people comprehend why they’d use zegras for this.

 

[Elvs]

As a Ducks fan, I'll be more than happy if they reach the level of Bergeron/Krejci.

 

[PeE eL DuBoiS]

Maybe if they get married. But they should probably just pick one instead of being snobby.