Zaitsev vs Larsson (oil)

[zeke]

He is prettt awful defensively, you see that stone goal? Yikes

there isn't a dman who's ever played that hasn't given away the puck like that.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

there isn't a dman who's ever played that hasn't given away the puck like that.

How about a pdo of 114, that's a large reason to his improved plus minus, you think the team can sustain a 19% on ice sh% when he's on?

 

[zeke]

No, I don't expect they will.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

6-2 3.5 GA/GP.

7-2 3.33 GA/GP

 

[The List Of Jericho]

Anyone who thought Larsson was a second pairing defenseman wasn't paying attention.

Oddly enough, many of them seem to have found there way to this thread.

Plenty of them screamed bloody murder over on the Edmonton board but now all of a sudden it was Jersey was the one that got took...hypocrisy at it's best.

 

[sparxx87]

He is prettt awful defensively, you see that stone goal? Yikes

Yeah. He’s gotta make a better pass there, and it was picked off by the guy who led all forwards in takeaways last year.

I’m not sure what that play has to do with his defensive ability though?

 

[elitepete]

Both are #3s. I take Zaitsev.

 

[authentic]

Zaitsev.

 

[Ryan Michaels]

Both overrated and I value them pretty equally, lets just sat I'm happier getting Zaistev for free than trading Nylander for Larsson.

 

[LeafFever]

Good players playing well are fully capable of putting up bad +/-, and bad players playing badly are fully capable of putting up good +/-.

Zaitsev being a -22 last year to a +7 already this year isn't because he's magically turned from an awful defensive dman into a good one, but because +/- is a stupid stat.

This. It's a stupid stat.

 

[McDavidCrushedLarkin]

going on 8 games with 0 points for Zaitsev, that's pretty awful for a top pairing two way monster

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

going on 8 games with 0 points for Zaitsev, that's pretty awful for a top pairing two way monster

And yet somehow he still has more than twice as many points as Larsson
Also did you see him get walked yesterday? Pretty awful for a top pairing shut down defenseman

 

[McDavidCrushedLarkin]

And yet somehow he still has more than twice as many points as Larsson
Also did you see him get walked yesterday? Pretty awful for a top pairing shut down defenseman

Wow same amount of goals and 3 more assists... Crazy offensive skills there for a top pairing offensive guy there.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Wow same amount of goals and 3 more assists... Crazy offensive skills there for a top pairing offensive guy there.

Not my fault Larsson set the bar so low. I'm sure he'll get his 1st assist of the year any day now. He should really try not getting walked though

 

[McDavidCrushedLarkin]

Not my fault Larsson set the bar so low. I'm sure he'll get his 1st assist of the year any day now. He should really try not getting walked though

What are you even talking about setting the bar so low? Larsson won this poll so apparently your #1 -22 top defensive/offensive guy from last year doesn't even meet the bar.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

What are you even talking about setting the bar so low? Larsson won this poll so apparently your #1 -22 top defensive/offensive guy from last year doesn't even meet the bar.

Oh yeah I forgot how meaningful hf polls were. The same people who voted oilers as the 2nd cup favourite must be right

 

[McDavidCrushedLarkin]

Oh yeah I forgot how meaningful hf polls were. The same people who voted oilers as the 2nd cup favourite must be right

Or that Kadri is a legit #1 center....lol

 

[LeafFever]

going on 8 games with 0 points for Zaitsev, that's pretty awful for a top pairing two way monster

In his rookie season he had 18 more points than star Larsson.

 

[McDavidCrushedLarkin]

In his rookie season he had 18 more points than star Larsson.

Don't really consider Larsson an offensive star, he plays defence. The same thing can't be said about Zaitsev.

 

[leafsfan1234]

Don't really consider Larsson an offensive star, he plays defence. The same thing can't be said about Zaitsev.

Based off what, his plus minus from last season?

 

[LeafChief]

1 for 1 I'm taking Larsson.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Don't really consider Larsson an offensive star, he plays defence. The same thing can't be said about Zaitsev.

Someone should tell Kuznetsov that Larsson actually plays defense. He must have no clue

 

[MoonDragn]

if you think Larsson is a 2nd pairing d-man you have not really watched him play. The person who says Larsson is not that physical definitely has never watched Larsson play. Larsson can be very aggressive in taking away that puck, he is very sound positionally and is very smart with the puck. Yes he had his offensive instincts trained out of him by NJ but he has a really good shot when he does shoot.

If you think Larsson can't handle big minutes go research some of his stats in NJ. He usually faced top competition on the other team. Larsson is not that fast but he is still above average, he would look slow next to McDavid, most people would. Look at NJ's defense after Larsson was traded, it has never been the same. We leaked goals like crazy and Schneider's numbers took a huge hit. Larsson is a top pairing defensive defenseman, but he started out in NJ as a two way d-man. He would have developed that way if not for the coach.

 

[McFlyingV]

Here's a pretty accurate scouting report on the two players from "The hockey news, plus my opinion.

Adam Larsson

Assets:
Can play the game with exceptional poise. Has a great point shot and an ideal frame for an NHL defenseman (6-3, 205 pounds). Owns plenty of shutdown ability and he can be a big minute-muncher. (Eye Tests confirms this analysis, always seemed like a defensive stud)
Flaws:
Could stand to become even more assertive physically, especially when it comes to the utilization of his 6-3 frame. Also, he could stand to shoot the puck far more to produce betters numbers. (Not physical, always knew that)
Career Potential:
Big-minute, shutdown defenseman with a little upside. (because of his offensive potential, seems fair)

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Nikita Zaitsev

Assets:
Owns a good frame for the NHL game, plus excellent puck-moving ability. Can be an asset on special teams and has excellent passing ability. Produces solid offensive totals and can log huge minutes. (Eye Tests confirms this analysis)
Flaws:
Could stand to add more bulk to his 6-2 frame, especially for the rigors of the National Hockey League schedule, in order to maximize output in the NHL.Also, he is not an overly physical defenseman. (Zaitsev doesnt hit that much, similar to Larsson. Note nothing about defensive ability being a flaw)
Career Potential:
Quality, all-around defenseman with a little upside. (This is where alot of leafs fans have an inner evil laugh, "thats what you think!")

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

337 hits in 102 games in Edmonton. "Doesn't hit much" "Not physical, always knew that". I think you meant "never watched him play".

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Larsson.
Too many people assess players purely on points.