News Article: Zack Kassian placed in stage 2 Part II - Mod Warning in Post#1

[Lafleurs Guy]

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[Ezpz]

Fair enough that addiction isn't a "lack of character" issue, but even in PC culture addiction is still blamed on the person who's addicted and it's still uncommon to try and help those who need help rather than just point a finger at them. Addiction and mental health in general aren't taken seriously enough.

 

[Monctonscout]

Fair enough that addiction isn't a "lack of character" issue, but even in PC culture addiction is still blamed on the person who's addicted and it's still uncommon to try and help those who need help rather than just point a finger at them. Addiction and mental health in general aren't taken seriously enough.

Like I said earlier, hopefully he gets help and comes out a better person and a better player.

 

[Skip Bayless]

I'm rooting for Kass, I just hope this is his wake up call and turns his career and life around.

 

[groovejuice]

Does anyone have a link to Pacioretty's comments? Or even a synopsis would be fine.

 

[TRG]

I'm rooting for Kass, I just hope this is his wake up call and turns his career and life around.

Me too. He needs help and he needs to help himself. And if he does, the Habs family will support him.

 

[Tabarouette]

Fair enough that addiction isn't a "lack of character" issue, but even in PC culture addiction is still blamed on the person who's addicted and it's still uncommon to try and help those who need help rather than just point a finger at them. Addiction and mental health in general aren't taken seriously enough.

it's not all black or white, you can't take the blame away from him entirely unless we learn that his lady friends handcuffed him and stuck a bottle down his throat. I hope he gets better because i'm sure he's a cool dude, but I don't want him around my team ever again

 

[Ezpz]

it's not all black or white, you can't take the blame away from him entirely unless we learn that his lady friends handcuffed him and stuck a bottle down his throat. I hope he gets better because i'm sure he's a cool dude, but I don't want him around my team ever again

It's not just specifically with this incident. If he has an alcohol abuse problems he needs help to fight it. You don't beat alcoholism on your own.

 

[Mike Mike Caron]

I'm rooting for Kass, I just hope this is his wake up call and turns his career and life around.

I hope they turn him into an answer to Lucic.

 

[smcgreg]

It's not just specifically with this incident. If he has an alcohol abuse problems he needs help to fight it. You don't beat alcoholism on your own.

You can if sufficiently motivated.

 

[Frankenheimer]

I think we could all use some behavioural wellness programming.

 

[Skip Bayless]

I hope they turn him into an answer to Lucic.

Mike Mike is our answer to Lucic. Kass coulda been, but after his rehab he wont be angry enough.

 

[Paddyjack]

I hope they turn him into an answer to Lucic.

I had no idea that Lucic was much of a factor anymore

 

[Smokey Thompson]

I hope they turn him into an answer to Lucic.

We'll only be seeing Lucic twice a year unless we make it to the SC Finals

 

[Ohashi_Jouzu*]

You can if sufficiently motivated.

Yeah, I mean, we live in the "anything's possible" world. But in the experiences of those I know, and those I've just heard of I suppose, being left to one's "own devices" makes it much, much harder to overcome than having even just 1 person to lean on through the process. Hence the "sponsor" element of recovery programs, etc.

I'm willing to bet that many/most who try to make a go of it on their own just end up withdrawing away from those around them to spare them being at ground zero of the carnage (the guilty awareness that comes after acceptance), and fall deeper over time instead of getting better.

 

[smcgreg]

Yeah, I mean, we live in the "anything's possible" world. But in the experiences of those I know, and those I've just heard of I suppose, being left to one's "own devices" makes it much, much harder to overcome than having even just 1 person to lean on through the process. Hence the "sponsor" element of recovery programs, etc.

I'm willing to bet that many/most who try to make a go of it on their own just end up withdrawing away from those around them to spare them being at ground zero of the carnage (the guilty awareness that comes after acceptance), and fall deeper over time instead of getting better.

I see your point, but given some of my personal contacts, I see that it is possible to do alone. So, I get a bit tired of the general "can't do it alone" dogma. It simply takes will. Some have a stronger will than others. At the same time, if someone doesn't want to quit, that strong will aspect can work in the opposite direction. I don't want this to get off track though, so, I'll leave it at that. Too bad this whole situation is taking up so much bandwidth with the first game just around the corner.

 

[Ohashi_Jouzu*]

I see your point, but given some of my personal contacts, I see that it is possible to do alone. So, I get a bit tired of the general "can't do it alone" dogma. It simply takes will. Some have a stronger will than others. At the same time, if someone doesn't want to quit, that strong will aspect can work in the opposite direction. I don't want this to get off track though, so, I'll leave it at that. Too bad this whole situation is taking up so much bandwidth with the first game just around the corner.

Never suggested it wasn't possible (I know it is), rather that it's a key element toward having a 50% chance to beat it as opposed to 5% (numbers made up to illustrate the point), for myriad reasons. I guess what I'm saying is, when people say "you can't beat it alone", the actual suggestion is that "it's much, much easier with help".

 

[hototogisu]

Wouldn't it just be easier to conclude that

- Some people can do it alone

- Some people can't and need help

Nothing wrong with either approach if it leads to the person getting healthy.

 

[L13]

It's not just specifically with this incident. If he has an alcohol abuse problems he needs help to fight it. You don't beat alcoholism on your own.

Um, actually, you, the addict, are the only person who can beat addiction.

All the help in the world means nothing if the person who's suffering doesn't want to get better. And sure, a good support system helps a lot if you're really trying to make a go of it, and different people may need different amounts of support once they've decided to kick it, but the first and most important prerequisite for beating addiction is intrinsic motivation.

 

[Habs]

What are your rules in regard to libel? I practiced law for 15 years, still haven't figure it out, glad a couple mods on HF did.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

What are your rules in regard to libel? I practiced law for 15 years, still haven't figure it out, glad a couple mods on HF did.

13) Libel: Any posts libeling players, prospects, or hockey personnel. It's not acceptable to post that you heard Player X has a drinking/drug/sex/personal problem from a "good" source. Do not post information that can be considered defamatory without a link to a credible media source. Other forums, personal websites, hearsay, and personal testimonials are not considered credible.

I'll edit post 1 to include this.

Also should you ever wish to read the rules:

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/faq.php?faq=vb3_board_faq#faq_forum_rules

 

[jwrocks1]

hopefully he gets better, and returns to hockey and decides to have a season to remember. His next contract depends on it.

 

[Habs]

13) Libel: Any posts libeling players, prospects, or hockey personnel. It's not acceptable to post that you heard Player X has a drinking/drug/sex/personal problem from a "good" source. Do not post information that can be considered defamatory without a link to a credible media source. Other forums, personal websites, hearsay, and personal testimonials are not considered credible.

I'll edit post 1 to include this.

Also should you ever wish to read the rules:

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/faq.php?faq=vb3_board_faq#faq_forum_rules

The rules? Why would I read those after all these years?

 

[hototogisu]

What are your rules in regard to libel? I practiced law for 15 years, still haven't figure it out, glad a couple mods on HF did.

We haven't, so we delete any posts that even come close to being able to be considered libel just to be on the safe side

 

[Et le But]

I hope they turn him into an answer to Lucic.

Trying to make him into something he's not is one (clearly not the only) reason his career hasn't gone according to plan.

It's time to get over Lucic. He's out west and he sucks anyway.