Boston Bruins Your roster changes / proposals XII

[PlayMakers]

So for 2021-2022, would you take a chance on Stud being plugged in as your 3C?

Yes, but I'd prefer to start him at RW. 3RW this year, 3C next year.

There doesn't seem to be any room though. He'll have to get games as an injury replacement.

 

[slim399]

Couturier resigns long term. Another UFA Center off the list.

I’m still liking Eichel to fill that top line Center spot long term

 

[BruinsBtn]

We need DKH to debunk this nonsense.

He took the pre-game skate vs the Islanders when they weren't sure if one of the defensemen could go. That doesn't sound like a guy they've written off.

 

[Clint Eastwood]

Yes, but I'd prefer to start him at RW. 3RW this year, 3C next year.

There doesn't seem to be any room though. He'll have to get games as an injury replacement.

If they wanna go nuts with the depth. They could put Foligno as 4LW, Stud on the 3RW and move Foligno up when inevitable injuries happen. Not like Foligno wouldn't get opportunities as I'm 99% sure he's on the top PP unit.

Any combo of Foligno/Nosek/Frederic/Lazar looks great on paper.

 

[The don godfather]

Sign alex g for 750 keep him as insurance if 2c becomes a major issue. I see no harm. I thought he played well for the leafs last year.

 

[bruinmann77]

I really hope ZS gets a shot and stays healthy to make a run

 

[bbfan419]

So is the strategy to devalue the player before trading him?

Whoever that Euro scout was that was pounding the table to take Vaak over Robert Thomas should be fired, what a joke that was, as bad as some of screwups in 2015.

 

[CDJ]

Who is “Bruins United” and who are they getting their info from?

not saying they’re wrong, I’m just curious

 

[DominicT]

Who is “Bruins United” and who are they getting their info from?

not saying they’re wrong, I’m just curious

As it states in the message, from Fluto. And Fluto is the best informed. He gets info, though sometimes it's out there as a feeler

 

[BruinsBtn]

As it states in the message, from Fluto. And Fluto is the best informed. He gets info, though sometimes it's out there as a feeler

I'm pretty down on Fluto as a subscriber. He never seems to try to get inside info. He was really banging the drum on Seattle taking Clifton or Zboril too, when it was obvious to everyone it would be Lauzon.

I find it hard to believe he gets inside info on anything.

 

[CDJ]

As it states in the message, from Fluto. And Fluto is the best informed. He gets info, though sometimes it's out there as a feeler

up too early today lol, missed the fluto attribution at the end

I’d say a 3rd is probably pretty accurate at this point. Id still hang onto him I think

 

[Son of Donegal]

Whoever that Euro scout was that was pounding the table to take Vaak over Robert Thomas should be fired, what a joke that was, as bad as some of screwups in 2015.

Vaak may not have panned out as well as Thomas, but man, when Vaak was captaining the Finnish WJC team skating 25+ minutes a game, he looked like a potential top pair D. He looked good in the early go as a Bruin. That Borowiecki cheap shot really took the wind out of Vaak's sails.

 

[NDiesel]

Whoever that Euro scout was that was pounding the table to take Vaak over Robert Thomas should be fired, what a joke that was, as bad as some of screwups in 2015.

Sometimes picks go wrong. It's not like Vaak was a huge reach, he was looking like a fantastic partner long term for McAvoy early on, but unfortunately development is never linear and he fell off. We can look at every draft (as can any team) and find a pick better than who they chose, but seems like a pointless exercise in hindsight, except for maybe the draft who shall not be named.

 

[DominicT]

I'm pretty down on Fluto as a subscriber. He never seems to try to get inside info. He was really banging the drum on Seattle taking Clifton or Zboril too, when it was obvious to everyone it would be Lauzon.

I find it hard to believe he gets inside info on anything.

We will agree to disagree then.

 

[DominicT]

up too early today lol, missed the fluto attribution at the end

I’d say a 3rd is probably pretty accurate at this point. Id still hang onto him I think

You'd pay a 3rd round pick for him?

5th is as high as I would go.

I'm striving to be the new @LSCII

 

[Son of Donegal]

Whoever that Euro scout was that was pounding the table to take Vaak over Robert Thomas should be fired, what a joke that was, as bad as some of screwups in 2015.

The other thing is that Robert Thomas was ranked somewhere in the mid 100's at the start of his draft year. He was literally the fastest riser coming into the draft. So, yeah, hindsight makes the Vaakanainen pick look absurd. If I recall, some scouting channels had Vaak ranked in the top 10 for periods of time.

Vaak is only 22. While I will not hold out hope for a miraculous transformation into a top 4 NHL D for the Bruins, at one point the potential was there...

 

[Gordoff]

Oilers interested in Debrusk and Kailer Yamamoto is still unsigned...wondering if there could be something there. Hall - Coyle - Yamamoto would make an interesting 2nd line with Foligno - Haula - Smith on the 3rd with Stundicka seeing some action throughout.

With the Oilers you have McDavid, Drai and RNH down the middle and Hyman, JP, Archibald and Kassian on the right....with Foegele on the left? Am I missing somebody? Outside of cap, feels like they could use Debrusk to ride somewhere in that top six.

There was interest in Garland so cant see the front office being afraid of Yamamoto

5'8" 153 Lbs. Sounds about right.

 

[Shaun]

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

What does this mean? Is switching an agent a huge deal?

 

[CellyHard]

5'8" 153 Lbs. Sounds about right.

Doesn’t play like it

 

[Knight]

What does this mean? Is switching an agent a huge deal?

Pat Brisson was key in facilitating the three team trade involving Duchene awhile back. So obviously Jack sees this as a path to Boston

 

[CDJ]

You'd pay a 3rd round pick for him?

5th is as high as I would go.

I'm striving to be the new @LSCII

there’s only one Lonnie and you know this

and damnnnn cold world. Not that fond of him I take it. I get it though- he’s not exactly bringing a ton to the table lately

 

[DominicT]

there’s only one Lonnie and you know this

and damnnnn cold world. Not that fond of him I take it. I get it though- he’s not exactly bringing a ton to the table lately

Me not fond of Lonnie? Furthest thing from the truth. I love Lonnie and I tell him that everytime we talk.

 

[CDJ]

Me not fond of Lonnie? Furthest thing from the truth. I love Lonnie and I tell him that everytime we talk.

sorry I meant not fond of Vaak if you value him at a 5th

nobody can not be fond of Lonnie lol

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

Sometimes picks go wrong. It's not like Vaak was a huge reach, he was looking like a fantastic partner long term for McAvoy early on, but unfortunately development is never linear and he fell off. We can look at every draft (as can any team) and find a pick better than who they chose, but seems like a pointless exercise in hindsight, except for maybe the draft who shall not be named.

But thing is, when we've been exercising a bit too much about it, maybe there actually is a problem with it. Especially what they've done with our firsts... really stunted the organizations ability to stay in the elite coming into this decade. I mean what I'm typing isn't anything new, but a recap just to see it all at once:

1 decade of Bruins first rounders and what the Bruins accomplished or did with them. Just covering 1st rounders, as an extensive full draft drill down would be even longer.

2021: Fabian Lysell, a lot of promise and Bruins most exciting prospect in a while. TBD
2020: Did not select, traded with part of Backes contract & prospect, and for a handful of games of Kase. (Anaheim selected Jacob Perreault)
2019: John Beecher, promising player, MAYBE middle 6 upside, TBD? Bruins lose in SCF.
2018: Did not select, traded to NYR with part of Belesky's contract, Lindgren & Spooner for... Rick Nash and a quick playoff exit. NYR selected Jacob Bernard-Docker)
2017: Urho Vaakanainen, swing and a miss. At least he was rated somewhere around there. Better players obviously on board. There's still time, but it's probably running out given the Bruins recent defense-core.
2016: McAvoy & Frederick, McAvoy is a cornerstone piece, and Frederick is young and an NHL player... with what looks like limited upside. Frederick pick was from a trade with SJS for long-time Bruin Martin Jones ( /s)
2015: Don't think I even need to say anything here. We all know. For the record, Senyshyn was the Flames pick acquired for Hamilton, Zboril was the pick acquired from LA for Milan Lucic, and Debrusk was the Bruin's own pick.
2014: Chiarelli still, but Pastrnak seems like the last top 6 forward we've been able to draft and develop ourselves in the past decade.
2013: Did not select, but we had a cup appearance and added a Jersey collection for any Jagr fans out there. (Dallas used pick to select Jason Dickinson). Bruins lose in SCF.
2012: Malcom Subban, waived and lost for nothing (later traded for Robin Lehner).
2011: TOR pick, Dougie Hamilton, moved for picks, which ended up being Zach Senyshyn, Jakob Forsbakka Karlsson, and Jeremy Lauzon (recently selected via expansion draft). Boston pick traded to Ducks via Toronto (Rickard Rackell). Bruins win Stanley Cup.

So a DECADE of 1st round picks accomplishments and where it brings us today:
Accomplishments: 1 Stanley Cup , 2 Stanley Finals losses, 3-5 opening night starting lineup players
Current players:
2014 - Pastrnak - Top line RW, NHL star
2015 - Zach Senyshyn - fringe NHL/AHL tweener
2015 - Jake Debrusk - Struggling middle 6/bottom 6 forward
2015 - Jacob Zboril - current depth defenseman, unable to hold a steady job in the lineup
2016 - McAvoy - Top pairing RHD
2016 - Frederick - Current depth, 4th line winger
2017 - Urho Vaakanainen - AHL call up-7/8th defenseman
2019 - John Beecher - TBD
2021 - Fabian Lysell - TBD, recently signed

How this affects our current roster?
Forwards (3 top 12 fowards)
xxx - xxx - Pastrnak
xxx - xxx - xxx
Debrusk - xxx - xxx
Frederic - xxx - xxx
xxx
Senyshyn
Defenseman (1 top 6 defenseman)
xxx - Charlie McAvoy
xxx - xxx
xxx- xxx
Zboril
Vaakanainen

Goalies (this position was mostly unaffected, besides the blunder of wasting a pick to select Malcom Subban)
xxx
xxx

So maybe this is a POINTLESS exercise, but maybe a lesson in how we've managed our assets in the last decade and how we can actually improve from past mistakes. I know every single player and pick won't play on this team, but we've also done an awful job at using any of those trades to find lasting core players on this roster. Zboril and Frederic are the best players we've acquired from picks we traded for (which says a lot), and we used 1/5 of the last 10 years of our own firsts to get rid of bad contracts. We've managed to use none of those firsts to bring back players that actually played on the team more than a full season (not counting Kase as he literally managed to play 9 regular season games and 11 post-season games as a Boston Bruin), I understand that's the cost of being a contending team, but we really could have done better than getting rid of bad contracts or buying rentals.


tl;dr: While it's a pointless exercise to go back and see what they could have done, it's an opportunity to learn from mistakes and hopefully do better drafting, developing, and/or trading.