CerebralGenesis
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- Jul 23, 2009
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The PA is hilarious. They don't even know what they are proposing and then complain to the media lol
Except that is not at all 50/50 in revenues over the term of the deal if (as i've heard) it would cost $500 million or so, at least, to cover the difference off the old contracts... which means it's not lower than 53/47 for the players over this cba, and potentially more in favour of the players if revenues should halt or fall.
Correct me if im wrong, but didn't the NHL offered 50/50 with the current contracts honored two days ago?
Fehr said today the PA is fine with the 50/50 as long as the current contracts are honored.
I don't get this
Correct me if im wrong, but didn't the NHL offered 50/50 with the current contracts honored two days ago?
Fehr said today the PA is fine with the 50/50 as long as the current contracts are honored.
I don't get this
To die-hards, it's suicide. To casual fans who dont spend their nights cramming CBA numbers? It might actually work......
Correct me if im wrong, but didn't the NHL offered 50/50 with the current contracts honored two days ago?
Fehr said today the PA is fine with the 50/50 as long as the current contracts are honored.
I don't get this
I wonder how all the players would feel about that? I was thinking of the players who are coming up to UFA status this year - like Getzlaf and Perry...the new deal would put downward pressure on whatever contract they could get (relative to the $ handed out this year) - while they were standing there looking at people like Parise and Suter having gotten paid big time. That might just be life in the big city - but I'd think there are going to be other players like them who will see it as a haves/have nots situation.
The NHL offer had players not making full value of their contracts for a little while but had a mechanism that had the rest of the money going back to the players at a later date.
The PA wants full value now.
At least the owners to an extent have shown a willingness to move. We're still waiting on the PA to show the same.
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Yeah, it's not in the NHLPA's best interests to have members that otherwise would be equal treated so differently. That's part of the problem with trying to fully "protect" the current contracts. It either requires delinkage or creating two classes of union members--those with grandfathered deals and those without. Even if the PA were to get a deal with grandfathered delinkage it could still depress future UFA deals while the grandfathered guy contracts wind down.
Wouldn't that cause problems within their own union where players are treated differently?
Unions rarely care about all members: it's job is to protect the top dogs and that comes at the expense of everybody else.
You're still misunderstanding. On it's face the deal looks fair but there are problems.
The owners want 50/50 immediately and with the "make whole" portion, players pay for players to make themselves whole. In full, it's less than 50/50.
In the player's version of 50/50, the effect is gradual, conditional, and player's initially earn greater than 50/50 early on.
It's about how 50/50 is defined. The NHL proposal had a lot of issues in it. I never said that the players are right, but to think that their offer wasn't a step forward is misinformed.
The fact that the NHL wasn't planning on listening to how the NHLPA defined 50/50 favorably for them (instead of how it was favorable for the owners) and wanted the NHLPA to tweak their offer, shows that the owners want this deal on their terms. There needs to be a middle ground. And I do see one (the two sides are not as far off as one thinks), just need to remove the smoke and mirrors.
Unions rarely care about all members: it's job is to protect the top dogs and that comes at the expense of everybody else.
Unions rarely care about all members: it's job is to protect the top dogs and that comes at the expense of everybody else.
Unions rarely care about all members: it's job is to protect the top dogs and that comes at the expense of everybody else.