Yeah Yeah Yeah, Patience. How Long Will That Take? (CBA & Lockout Discussion) XXI

[King Mapes]

The majority of players in the NHLPA are Campoli like. He's a better baromater of what the NHLPA consists of than Crosby and all the other big stars who make up a very small percentage of the PA membership. The Median income of an NHL player last season was $1.4 million. Campoli made 1.75 million meaning he made more money than half of all players.

No 2.4 was the average so he made less

 

[WetcoastOrca]

No 2.4 was the average so he made less

It's median income that tells whether he made more than most players. Average income gets inflated by the few Crosby type contracts.

 

[WayneSid9987]

The top end guys drive the revenue, once they're content, the rest will follow.

 

[Langdon Alger*]

No 2.4 was the average so he made less

The average is skewed by outliers on the high end.

 

[fxhomie]

"Median" and "average" are different figures. It's salaries like Crosby's that raises the median. Median means 50%, half above and half below make that amount.

 

[Bruins71*]

The PA is going to **** this all up, again.

 

[Hanklite*]

Over under on hours for todays meeting?

I have it at 4.

 

[MtlPenFan]

I seriously doubt the 'rank-and-file' guys will actually be losing too much money. Like I said before, there's no owner in the world that's going to be saying that Paul Bissonnette or Mike Brown need their salaries cut. It's just going to be the top end guys and the higher end middle guys. I don't know why all these third/fourth and in some cases second liners are towing the company line when they're losing an entire year's pay and wouldn't even see their salaries take a hit (or if they do, it would be a completely minor one).

As a total sum in relative to the stars, absolutely not. But a 20% cut (for example) for a guy making 600K is 120K, which leaves him with 480K. Crosby would be losing over 1.5M which is a much larger amount. Yeah, Crosby's losing a ton more money, but he can afford to sit out the next 10 years if need be considering the money he's already made. The "rank and file" guys don't have that luxury.

However, while Crosby's loss is far greater, in the grand scheme of things he's still left with over 6M per year, as well as over a decade left in his deal.

So I say again, what is the union really fighting for, and more specifically, for who?

 

[General Fanager]

Over under on hours for todays meeting?

I have it at 4.

Under

 

[Milan90]

"Median" and "average" are different figures. It's salaries like Crosby's that raises the median. Median means 50%, half above and half below make that amount.

The median number isn't affected by extremes.

 

[Kelly23]

Over under on hours for todays meeting?

I have it at 4.

Over I got 7.5 go until 11

 

[cheswick]

No 2.4 was the average so he made less

Yeah I said 1.4 was the median not the mean. The average or mean is 2.4 million. The median, meaning the amount where 50% of players made more and 50% made less is 1.4 million

 

[Milan90]

As a total sum in relation to the stars, absolutely not. But a 20% cut (for example) for a guy making 600K is 120K, which leaves him with 480K. Crosby would be losing over 1.5M which is a much larger amount.

However, while Crosby's loss is far greater, in the grand scheme of things he's still left with over 6M per year, as well as over a decade left in his deal.

So I say again, what is the union really fighting for, and more specifically, for who?

These 20% cuts won't be getting cut from every single player. There's still a league minimum. It'll be the guys with the insane contracts seeing their salaries taking cuts. I'm not 100% sure on this but I seriously doubt that guys making league minimum or just above it will be seeing 20% decreases.

 

[Crows*]

@Real_ESPNLeBrun: Talks are underway. NHLPA was working away on things in internal meetings today before meeting up with league

It's always the pa ****ing late

 

[RealKrug47*]

Maybe theyll get snowed in and have no choice but to negotiate all night

 

[Dubi Doo]

Over under on hours for todays meeting?

I have it at 4.

Over, hopefully.

 

[Shrimper]

Let's hope they forget there's a storm coming and get snowed in.

 

[MtlPenFan]

These 20% cuts won't be getting cut from every single player. There's still a league minimum. It'll be the guys with the insane contracts seeing their salaries taking cuts. I'm not 100% sure on this but I seriously doubt that guys making league minimum or just above it will be seeing 20% decreases.

I'm using the minimum wage guys as an example of one extreme to another in terms of who's sitting at the table.

 

[Cashville]

Tom Gulitti ‏@TGfireandice

Told CBA meeting delay was for "internal prep work" and not to read anything into it.

My hope is that the "internal prep work" was giving the legal teams more time to put their heads together and actually draft language around what was discussed or proposed yesterday.

While the notion of agreeing in principle is great, you'd be amazed the amount of words needed in a legal sense to put those "principles" into an executable document. My experience is with IPO S-1/S-11s, joint venture agreements, and so forth, but the notion stands.

 

[Hanklite*]

Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun

Talks are underway. NHLPA was working away on things in internal meetings today before meeting up with league

I guess Donald just likes to sleep in and takes his sweet time getting ready.

 

[CN_paladin]

So Don was like 3 hours late?

 

[Number8]

"Median" and "average" are different figures. It's salaries like Crosby's that raises the AVERAGE. Median means MIDPOINT, half above and half below make that amount.

Fixed for you. Crosby's salary impacts average much more than median. Almost zero impact on median.

Five salaries of $1M, $2M, $3M, $10M, and $14M.

Median in this example = $3M

Average in this case = $6M

 

[dougieg93]

Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun

Talks are underway. NHLPA was working away on things in internal meetings today before meeting up with league

I guess Donald just likes to sleep in and takes his sweet time getting ready.

With respect to Fehr he has a lot more constituents

 

[Crease]

So Don was like 3 hours late?

He had to run some numbers.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Maybe they were working on a proposal?