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Sounds like a win-win trade that occurred. Both players playing great on their respective teams.
As a Caps fan there's no doubt that the Caps gave up a lot in this trade and if you are going on quantity rather than quality, then the Red Wings are the clear winners at this moment. That's the short term or immediate view of the trade. It may take some time to see the long term impact of the trade.
Case in point.
The same was said about the Caps (George McPhee's) trade with the Predators back in April '13 when they sent Forsberg to the Preds for Erat. Clearly at the time the Preds were the winners of the trade. However for the Caps the rippling impact of that trade along with the overall team's performance resulted in the firing of Caps GM George McPhee and HC Adam Oates after the following season in 2014. The Capitals subsequently hired Brian MacLellan as General Manager and Barry Trotz, the former Predators HC. After the 2015 season, MacLellan realized that the lost of Forsberg left the Capitals in need of a top 6 RW, so he traded Troy Brouwer + to the Blues for TJ Oshie. To say Oshie has been a great addition to the Capitals would be an understatement. Oshie played a significant role in the Caps winning the Stanley Cup in 2018. So though the Caps definitely lost the short term portion of the Forsberg trade, the long term side of the trade indirectly led to the Capitals winning a Stanley Cup and the last time I looked neither the Predators or Forsberg have won a Stanley Cup.
vrana will amaze you and then disapear for 10 games. Im sure mantha does it too (did not follow him before) but vrana will frustrate you. So much talent.
Capitals winning the cup as with any SC Champion has many factors and contributors. For the Capitals it was as much who was behind the bench (Barry Trotz) as well as who was on the ice to include TJ Oshie.Washington didn't win the cup because they traded Forsberg away, but they might've won even sooner than they did had they kept him. Nashville did make the finals with Forsberg, but they had literally 0 center depth to match up with Crosby/Malkin/Bonino.
They absolutely won the cup because of that trade. It was unintended but if they don't trade forsberg gmgm possibly doesn't leave. If he doesn't leave there is no world where the caps sign Niskanen and orpik because the caps never signed expensive free agents. That is enough right there for them not to win the cup. Gmgm would also never have traded for oshie. He would never make the big moves which is funny because when he tried and failed with the erat trade it seemed to have the opposite effect then what you would think as he has since made big time trades in Vegas and done okWashington didn't win the cup because they traded Forsberg away, but they might've won even sooner than they did had they kept him. Nashville did make the finals with Forsberg, but they had literally 0 center depth to match up with Crosby/Malkin/Bonino.
I think Berggren ends up pushing Bertuzzi down the lineup eventually. The kid is just so talented that I can't imagine him in a 3rd line role past his rookie season.
Sounds like a win-win trade that occurred. Both players playing great on their respective teams.
McClellan is also the guy who told Ted to shut up and get off the internet, he and Trotz completely changed the attitude of thingsThey absolutely won the cup because of that trade. It was unintended but if they don't trade forsberg gmgm possibly doesn't leave. If he doesn't leave there is no world where the caps sign Niskanen and orpik because the caps never signed expensive free agents. That is enough right there for them not to win the cup. Gmgm would also never have traded for oshie. He would never make the big moves which is funny because when he tried and failed with the erat trade it seemed to have the opposite effect then what you would think as he has since made big time trades in Vegas and done ok
Washington would have never won with George McPhee.Washington didn't win the cup because they traded Forsberg away, but they might've won even sooner than they did had they kept him. Nashville did make the finals with Forsberg, but they had literally 0 center depth to match up with Crosby/Malkin/Bonino.
Washington didn't win the cup because they traded Forsberg away, but they might've won even sooner than they did had they kept him. Nashville did make the finals with Forsberg, but they had literally 0 center depth to match up with Crosby/Malkin/Bonino.
McPhee's strength is his ability to build a resilient and stacked prospect pool. But he cannot scout other pro players. His trade deadlines are usually disasters or underwhelming..
You can't prove that lol.... is it possible? absolutely, but he could've exploded playing on a 2nd line with kuzy and they may have never traded for oshie had they had a young ELC forsberg rather than Erat. Who knows what could've been etc... He wouldn't have the exact same opportunity/ice time with wsh that he got in NSH..... but that doesn't mean he wouldn't have produced a ton and become a 60+ point force like he currently is playing with those higher quality teammates where he's not completely relied upon to drive the offense.Lets be honest. Forsberg would have never been more than Burakovsky or Vrana has he remained with the Capitals. What McPhee got for Forsberg was a disaster, that he was traded wasnt. They prioritized Tom Wilson for many reasons. Meanwhile Forsberg was getting prime ice time and pp1 time in a pp set up that he fit well into. In Washington, like Vrana, he doesn't play on the power play much less be a featured player on it.
People that assume that the Forsberg that Nashville has is the Forsberg the Capitals would have had if they had kept him are just wrong.
Caps still have Lapierre, McMichael, Protas, Alexeyev and Fehervary in their system while getting Mantha. Sure it was an overpayment at the DL but hardly a trade that sinks this team. Mantha on the Caps will be a very good player for a long time. Vrana will become a goal scoring star player on the Wings when the rebuild is finished and all is said and done. I see this as a win-win.
You can't prove that lol.... is it possible? absolutely, but he could've exploded playing on a 2nd line with kuzy and they may have never traded for oshie had they had a young ELC forsberg rather than Erat. Who knows what could've been etc... He wouldn't have the exact same opportunity/ice time with wsh that he got in NSH..... but that doesn't mean he wouldn't have produced a ton and become a 60+ point force like he currently is playing with those higher quality teammates where he's not completely relied upon to drive the offense.
VRANA :
- elite wheels , and at top speed in like two strides = a very dangerous threat that dmen fear
- elite wrister
- extremely driven and confident . wants the puck at all times and is totally possesed to score goals
- guessing caps traded him because hes hard to coach = just wants to score goals and hell with your system .
the type player you cant force to fit in a team mold . my guess anyway , because talent wise this guy is a monster
This is such an incredibly weird spin job.Capitals winning the cup as with any SC Champion has many factors and contributors. For the Capitals it was as much who was behind the bench (Barry Trotz) as well as who was on the ice to include TJ Oshie.
The Forsberg trade had the domino effect or cascade on the Capitals organization. Within the year the termination of GM George McPhee and Head Coach Adam Oates and the subsequent hiring of McLellan as GM and Trotz as Coach. The Forsberg trade created a void for the Capitals in their top six at RW which McLellan eventually filled with TJ Oshie. So did the Caps trade of Forsberg lead directly to the Capitals winning the Stanley Cup, no. But it certainly contributed to it.
Forsberg's game is completely different from Oshie's. Oshie brings sandpaper to his game and remember on a few occasions doing a reverse hit on a player during the playoffs in 2018. Oshie's role in that playoffs was huge and doubt Forsberg would of had the same impact in that way as Oshie did.
This is such an incredibly weird spin job.
Dramatically losing a trade does not help you win a Cup Maybe your GM and coach get fired AND you still have Forsberg?
And the plain fact is you have no idea how he would have faired in that role and he absolutely would have been better than Erat.It might have worked out that way. The plain fact is that the role Forsberg would have played is the rookie role that Burakovsky and then Vrana played. First line/pp1/featured player ice time and roles were not available and not forth coming.
I still think the Caps did the deal both to shed Panik's salary cap hit, and get the cost certainty of Mantha since his deal goes longer than VranaVRANA :
- elite wheels , and at top speed in like two strides = a very dangerous threat that dmen fear
- elite wrister
- extremely driven and confident . wants the puck at all times and is totally possesed to score goals
- guessing caps traded him because hes hard to coach = just wants to score goals and hell with your system .
the type player you cant force to fit in a team mold . my guess anyway , because talent wise this guy is a monster