Confirmed Signing with Link: [WSH] Capitals sign Brooks Orpik [1 year- 1 million]

[Eb]

It's just a 1 year deal, wtf are you talking about.

edit: unless that was supposed to be a **** joke

I liked the joke. Just because it flew over your head doesn't make it shit.

 

[Nico the Draft Riser]

The league will make it so players who’s contracts with Team A are bought out by ANY TEAM cannot return to Team A for one calendar year

If they dont youll see this a lot as itll be the next way to reconstruct contracts, which the NHL is very much against

 

[The Nuge]

Good signing. We all knew it was coming.

Wonder if more teams will do this. Doubt the league could do anything about it.

It wouldn’t be hard at all. Just put in the next cba that any player who’s bought out cannot sign with a team they’ve played for in the last year

 

[hockeykicker]

Youre right he could have - but lets look at it for a second

Team A (Washington) no longer wanted their player on his current contract as it was disturbing their salary cap. They traded the player to Team B (Colorado) who then bought him out, and then the player signed back with team A.

Its no different then reconstructing s contract (which is not permitted in the NHL) and you already cannot sign a player your team buys out for one year.

Lets not act like that wasnt the full intention of the series of moves. And even if it wasnt by some grace, it is a clear redo on a contract for a player and team that had an existing contract just a month prior.

Washington did not like Orpik’s cap hit and got Orpik back at a lower cap hit within a years time. Its clearly them trying to circumvent his previous cap, and while it is within the rules Id expect it to be barred in the next CBA since its intentions are the same as most cap circumvention methods

1) there was no reason to even think avs were gonna buy him out.
2) the avalanche decided they were gonna buy him out after the trade
3) he was put on waivers where anyone could have had him
4) after released he could have signed with anyone
5) month goes by and his only offer is washington
6) he is supposed to do what?

 

[Nico the Draft Riser]

1) there was no reason to even think avs were gonna buy him out.
2) the avalanche decided they were gonna buy him out after the trade
3) he was put on waivers where anyone could have had him
4) after released he could have signed with anyone
5) month goes by and his only offer is washington
6) he is supposed to do what?

He cant sign with Washington or Colorado then. If that means he has to retire then thats how it is.

Im very confident this will be in the next CBA as it breaks spirit of the cap circumvention prevention

 

[hockeykicker]

He cant sign with Washington or Colorado then. If that means he has to retire then thats how it is.

Im very confident this will be in the next CBA as it breaks spirit of the cap circumvention prevention

so orpik is supposed to be penalized because the team he wanted to play for bought him out?

 

[Ridley Simon]

Youre right he could have - but lets look at it for a second

Team A (Washington) no longer wanted their player on his current contract as it was disturbing their salary cap. They traded the player to Team B (Colorado) who then bought him out, and then the player signed back with team A.

Its no different then reconstructing s contract (which is not permitted in the NHL) and you already cannot sign a player your team buys out for one year.

Lets not act like that wasnt the full intention of the series of moves. And even if it wasnt by some grace, it is a clear redo on a contract for a player and team that had an existing contract just a month prior.

Washington did not like Orpik’s cap hit and got Orpik back at a lower cap hit within a years time. Its clearly them trying to circumvent his previous cap, and while it is within the rules Id expect it to be barred in the next CBA since its intentions are the same as most cap circumvention methods

Orpik is getting paid though. Most of his original contract. Players get cut all the time. This is akin to it, as he wasn’t seem as being worth t money he was getting. No fake malady being constructed. No contract with a lot of 1m years at the end.

It takes 2 to tango. The Caps had to forfeit a terrific goalie to make this work. They paid a penalty. Were this not able to happen, Colorado would have had to give up a lot more to get the player they wanted.

In the end, the point isn’t to allow a team to “freely” circumvent the cap and bad contracts given. This was not done freely by the Caps.

Just my opinion

 

[Silky mitts]

If the league gets rid of this loophole in the next CBA, players would 100% be against it because that's one less interested team for negotiations, and for teams I don't see how it would reduce spending or take any power from individual players so what's the point of giving something up to close it?

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Great signing I'd say

 

[WesMcCauley]

Sure, technically.

If there's no rule that says you can't re-sign a guy in this situation, then what can you do, but the Caps did basically just renegotiate a contract. All it cost them was a backup goalie. The only reason Colorado took the contract to buy out for just a backup was that there was 1 year left on it, so it won't hurt the Avs for too long, but nobody will make too big a deal about it before the next CBA negotiation because some other team might be in a similar situation one day and will want to be able to do this too.

No rules were broken, but it is an example of the spirit of the law being sidestepped. This is why teams pay lawyers of some sort to figure out all the contracts stuff.

No one forced Avs to take him or buy him out. If Avs didnt buy him out, Caps couldnt sign him... It was a cap move which happens all the time. When Avs bought him out, every team could sign him.

 

[Nico the Draft Riser]

so orpik is supposed to be penalized because the team he wanted to play for bought him out?

Why do you keep bringing up what Orpik does, we dont give a shit

This is about Washington having Orpik on two separate contracts within a year of each and the first contract never expired on its own.

This is very clearly a reconstructing of a contract and the NHL will not stand for it - except for now since its legal.

 

[Ridley Simon]

He cant sign with Washington or Colorado then. If that means he has to retire then thats how it is.

Im very confident this will be in the next CBA as it breaks spirit of the cap circumvention prevention

Yeah, that’s something the players union would really support

 

[hockeykicker]

Why do you keep bringing up what Orpik does, we dont give a ****

This is about Washington having Orpik on two separate contracts within a year of each and the first contract never expired on its own.

This is very clearly a reconstructing of a contract and the NHL will not stand for it - except for now since its legal.

because what everyone is trying to explain to you is that the capitals traded him away. the end, thats it. he is no longer a member of the caps. gone for good. oh wait the avalanche bought him out. oh wait he is a everyday nhl free agent that anyone can sign.

 

[PensPlz]

I'm not saying Washington aimed to circumvent the cap and colluded with Orpik to do so, but they have (even inadvertently) set the ground work and precedent for other teams to do so in the future.

Needs to be fixed regardless.

 

[Nico the Draft Riser]

Yeah, that’s something the players union would really support

Like as if The players union is going to defend an over 35 player who only has two teams wanting to sign him, and both were a part of a reconstruction of his comtract

Do you even understand what youre talking about?

 

[VoluntaryDom]

1) there was no reason to even think avs were gonna buy him out.
2) the avalanche decided they were gonna buy him out after the trade
3) he was put on waivers where anyone could have had him
4) after released he could have signed with anyone
5) month goes by and his only offer is washington
6) he is supposed to do what?

This. Cmon guys you are making me side with caps fans.

 

[izzy]

whatever chicago cheated for years

go caps

 

[bleedgreen]

I don’t remotely see this as cap circumvention. Orpik’s buyout was not part of the trade, and once he’s a ufa he’s free to sign with whoever. Bought out players get signed, it’s not new.

 

[Djp]

1) there was no reason to even think avs were gonna buy him out.
2) the avalanche decided they were gonna buy him out after the trade
3) he was put on waivers where anyone could have had him
4) after released he could have signed with anyone
5) month goes by and his only offer is washington
6) he is supposed to do what?

Im surprised the league even approved this.

I thought I heard them say a player couldn't be traded, then bought out (with CBOs) then resign with original club in the matter of a month.

 

[Silky mitts]

1) there was no reason to even think avs were gonna buy him out.
2) the avalanche decided they were gonna buy him out after the trade
3) he was put on waivers where anyone could have had him
4) after released he could have signed with anyone
5) month goes by and his only offer is washington
6) he is supposed to do what?

I don't think the 1st 2 are true, in fact I'd be shocked if Sakic didn't tell Maclellan he was releasing Orpik to make sure Avs had priority, plus Sakic said he was releasing him like an hour after the trade. What would make it a CBA violation is if the trade was contingent upon his release.

 

[Nico the Draft Riser]

because what everyone is trying to explain to you is that the capitals traded him away. the end, thats it. he is no longer a member of the caps. gone for good. oh wait the avalanche bought him out. oh wait he is a everyday nhl free agent that anyone can sign.

The Washington Capitals signed his original contract

The Washington Capitals just signed his new contract.

Brooks Orpik’s contract was bought out and the two teams involved were Washington (signed original comtract and traded) and Colorado (bought out)

the CBA specifically prevents reconstruction of contracts. This is very clearly that within a legal loophole.

 

[hockeykicker]

Im surprised the league even approved this.

I thought I heard them say a player couldn't be traded, then bought out (with CBOs) then resign with original club in the matter of a month.

well techincally the buyout wasant part of the deal so therefore he was just a normal free agent

you might be thinking of the lecavalier situation but that was an amnesty buyout which didnt count against the cap

 

[hockeykicker]

The Washington Capitals signed his original contract

The Washington Capitals just signed his new contract.

Brooks Orpik’s contract was bought out and the two teams involved were Washington (signed original comtract and traded) and Colorado (bought out)

the CBA specifically prevents reconstruction of contracts. This is very clearly that within a legal loophole.

the capitals traded away brooks orpik

the capitals signed free agent brooks orpik

prove that the avalanche were in on this conspiracy to help the caps

 

[hockeykicker]

I don't think the 1st 2 are true, in fact I'd be shocked if Sakic didn't tell Maclellan he was releasing Orpik to make sure Avs had priority, plus Sakic said he was releasing him like an hour after the trade. What would make it a CBA violation is if the trade was contingent upon his release.

was carolina also gonna violate the cba too?

 

[Nico the Draft Riser]

the capitals traded away brooks orpik

the capitals signed free agent brooks orpik

prove that the avalanche were in on this conspiracy to help the caps

Im done lol. You keep making it about what teams were ‘thinking’ like as if im some mind reader.

You keep thinking about what teams were or were not colluding and ill remain within reality where Brooks Orpik now plays for the Washington Capitals on a new contract before his old expired. Teams cannot buyout and re-sign their own players but you think its okay if another team does it, yet you cant see both provide the exact same relief which is a new, better contract to replace an old, worse one