Confirmed Signing with Link: [WSH] Capitals sign Brooks Orpik [1 year- 1 million]

[WesMcCauley]

Nothing wrong with this. He is traded and avs decided to buy him out, not Caps. This isnt close to as bad as the Hossa trade and the ltir guys. Orpik actually wanna play and buying him out is a part of the option teams have.
Hossa situation is completely different and its so obvious that they didnt wanna buy him out because of the cap hit they would get from doing it so they made up an excuse/injury. No chance Hossa suddenly cant use the equipment he has used his entire career the year his salary drops dramatically...

 

[joestevens29]

Pretty much as expected I’d think? Although caps should’ve just gave him league min

 

[Flamesjustwin]

If I am Yzerman I fight this. He tried to do the same thing with Lecavalier and the league stopped it. Why is this different? I think this contract gets negated. It is clearly cap circumvention.

 

[hockeykicker]

If I am Yzerman I fight this. He tried to do the same thing with Lecavalier and the league stopped it. Why is this different? I think this contract gets negated.

That was a compliane buyout no? The ones where you aren't penalized

 

[Flamesjustwin]

That was a compliane buyout no? The ones where you aren't penalized

No, he had a deal in place to trade Lecavalier to the Leafs who would buy him out and then Yzerman could bring him back on a cheap contract. It was kyboshed by the league.

 

[hockeykicker]

No, he had a deal in place to trade Lecavalier to the Leafs who would buy him out and then Yzerman could bring him back on a cheap contract. It was kyboshed by the league.

Because it was an amnesty buyout after the lockout. This isnt the same thing

 

[Rob Brown]

It's just a 1 year deal, wtf are you talking about.

edit: unless that was supposed to be a **** joke

 

[BRAINROT]

Hahaha no.

Caps finally get a cup and now every move they make going forward is going to be genius....

 

[PensPlz]

Clever way to circumvent the cap.

 

[Martin Skoula]

The Leafs were trying to do this with Lecavalier for Tampa's 3rd OA but the league nixed it because it would have been a compliance buyout instead. Strange that it's the type of buyout not the principle they had issue with.

 

[hockeykicker]

The Leafs were trying to do this with Lecavalier for Tampa's 3rd OA but the league nixed it because it would have been a compliance buyout instead. Strange that it's the type of buyout not the principle they had issue with.

Well because it wouldnt have counted against the leafs cap so it was leafs getting third overall for nothing

 

[tucker3434]

The Leafs were trying to do this with Lecavalier for Tampa's 3rd OA but the league nixed it because it would have been a compliance buyout instead. Strange that it's the type of buyout not the principle they had issue with.

That just the leafs buying a pick. The league doesn’t want that. There was hockey substance to this transaction.

 

[Leafs87]

Well because it wouldnt have counted against the leafs cap so it was leafs getting third overall for nothing

Imagine we got Seth Jones for buying out Vinny

 

[hockeykicker]

Imagine we got Seth Jones for buying out Vinny

Right but to fix it they could have just added a player to the deal. The bolts got nothing in return and would have given up a 3oa pick

 

[Agalloch]

Wonder if more teams will do this. Doubt the league could do anything about it.

Seems illegal... will most likely but adressed in next CBA.

 

[Leafs87]

Right but to fix it they could have just added a player to the deal. The bolts got nothing in return and would have given up a 3oa pick

Okay easy an expiring AHL deal for Vinny and 3rd overall. Also they had no real obligation to actually buy him out since that couldn’t of been written into the contract.

If only Nonnis was half competent

 

[hockeykicker]

Okay easy an expiring AHL deal for Vinny and 3rd overall. Also they had no real obligation to actually buy him out since that couldn’t of been written into the contract.

If only Nonnis was half competent

Well then why would tampa trade the pick without knowing he would be bought out? Gms are dumb sometimes but not that dumb

 

[Ridley Simon]

I don’t know if Brooks will play much this year. Won’t be able to keep up with the speed of teams like the leafs and Bolts. Other than that decent signing at good cost.

Totally. Just like the last 2 playoffs, when he got tooled around and the Caps lost both series to those 2 teams in terrible fashion.

 

[Nico the Draft Riser]

Wonder if more teams will do this. Doubt the league could do anything about it.

It isnt against CBA rules but anyone with half an understanding of the CBA can see this is the exact same intention as most cap circumventions we have seen in the past.

It will likely be covered in the next CBA that a recently bought out player cannot return to the team he signed his original contract with for one calendar year

 

[Ridley Simon]

Hahaha no.

Right, it’s that new to north of the border who had Tavares fall into his lap and has watched his team win a gazillion playoff games

 

[Ridley Simon]

It isnt against CBA rules but anyone with half an understanding of the CBA can see this is the exact same intention as most cap circumventions we have seen in the past.

It will likely be covered in the next CBA that a recently bought out player cannot return to the team he signed his original contract with for one calendar year

I dunno. No on forced the Avs to buy him out. And Brooks couldve signed with any other team had they given him a good offer.

 

[hockeykicker]

It isnt against CBA rules but anyone with half an understanding of the CBA can see this is the exact same intention as most cap circumventions we have seen in the past.

It will likely be covered in the next CBA that a recently bought out player cannot return to the team he signed his original contract with for one calendar year

He could have signed with anyone

 

[KingsFan7824]

Nothing wrong with this. He is traded and avs decided to buy him out, not Caps. This isnt close to as bad as the Hossa trade and the ltir guys. Orpik actually wanna play and buying him out is a part of the option teams have.
Hossa situation is completely different and its so obvious that they didnt wanna buy him out because of the cap hit they would get from doing it so they made up an excuse/injury. No chance Hossa suddenly cant use the equipment he has used his entire career the year his salary drops dramatically...

Sure, technically.

If there's no rule that says you can't re-sign a guy in this situation, then what can you do, but the Caps did basically just renegotiate a contract. All it cost them was a backup goalie. The only reason Colorado took the contract to buy out for just a backup was that there was 1 year left on it, so it won't hurt the Avs for too long, but nobody will make too big a deal about it before the next CBA negotiation because some other team might be in a similar situation one day and will want to be able to do this too.

No rules were broken, but it is an example of the spirit of the law being sidestepped. This is why teams pay lawyers of some sort to figure out all the contracts stuff.

 

[hockeykicker]

Sure, technically.

If there's no rule that says you can't re-sign a guy in this situation, then what can you do, but the Caps did basically just renegotiate a contract. All it cost them was a backup goalie. The only reason Colorado took the contract to buy out for just a backup was that there was 1 year left on it, so it won't hurt the Avs for too long, but nobody will make too big a deal about it before the next CBA negotiation because some other team might be in a similar situation one day and will want to be able to do this too.

No rules were broken, but it is an example of the spirit of the law being sidestepped. This is why teams pay lawyers of some sort to figure out all the contracts stuff.

how? caps needed the cap space to sign carlson so they traded away a #6 defender with a hefty contract. the avalanche could have said sure we will keep him but they didnt. then he became a free agent, and what if no one but the caps offered him a contract after the avalanche bought him out? is he supposed to just retire?

 

[Nico the Draft Riser]

He could have signed with anyone

I dunno. No on forced the Avs to buy him out. And Brooks couldve signed with any other team had they given him a good offer.

Youre right he could have - but lets look at it for a second

Team A (Washington) no longer wanted their player on his current contract as it was disturbing their salary cap. They traded the player to Team B (Colorado) who then bought him out, and then the player signed back with team A.

Its no different then reconstructing s contract (which is not permitted in the NHL) and you already cannot sign a player your team buys out for one year.

Lets not act like that wasnt the full intention of the series of moves. And even if it wasnt by some grace, it is a clear redo on a contract for a player and team that had an existing contract just a month prior.

Washington did not like Orpik’s cap hit and got Orpik back at a lower cap hit within a years time. Its clearly them trying to circumvent his previous cap, and while it is within the rules Id expect it to be barred in the next CBA since its intentions are the same as most cap circumvention methods