Wow, The Toskala Trade To Toronto Turned Out Great For San Jose!!

[tgronfors]

the 'what if' thoughts are obviously endless and almost always negative from the leafs perspective. But yea, you really don't have to speculate that much to picture the leafs going forward with:
Rask
Couture
Schenn
Kadri
Seguin
top 10 pick

 

[calcal798]

the 'what if' thoughts are obviously endless and almost always negative from the leafs perspective. But yea, you really don't have to speculate that much to picture the leafs going forward with:
Rask
Couture
Schenn
Kadri
Seguin
top 10 pick

Well it would have been Eller because Eller went 13th overall, well if we drafted him. Not to mention we would have had Gustavsson, Kaberle, Bozak, Kulieman, prob grabo (I like him), Army, no giguere, phaneuf (could still be ours cause of the people in the trade, thats why giguere's a no), there were endless possibilities. One thing that is bright about our future is we have a lot of young players that burke is gonna build the team around, like kessel kadri schenn bozak kuli gunnar aulie phaneuf, this team just needs some more key pieces, (maybe coming from the draft next year?), then I think we will be ready to compete for a while

 

[Johny Drama]

Its all just nostalgia, but what if we never traded away a first pick no matter what.

2002 Alex Steen (not a star, but the trade for stempniak now looks brutal)

2003 Traded to San Jose who took Steve Bernier (availabe players were Getzlaf, Mike Richards, Parise, Corey Perry and Ryan Kesler)

2004 Traded to NYR who took Lauri Korpikoski (available players were Mike Green, Wojtek Wolski and Travis Zajac)

2005 Tukka Rask (Enough said)

2006 Jiri Tlusty (not a good pick)

2007 Traded to San Jose who took Cotoure (also available were Brandon Sutter, Lars Eller and David Perron)

2008 Luke Schenn

2009 Nazem Kadri

2010 Traded to Boston who took Seguin


Easy to see that our impatient method of trying to get into the playoffs by trading away draft picks, has really hurt this franchise.

 

[Darcy Tucker]

Its all just nostalgia, but what if we never traded away a first pick no matter what.

2002 Alex Steen (not a star, but the trade for stempniak now looks brutal)

2003 Traded to San Jose who took Steve Bernier (availabe players were Getzlaf, Mike Richards, Parise, Corey Perry and Ryan Kesler)

2004 Traded to NYR who took Lauri Korpikoski (available players were Mike Green, Wojtek Wolski and Travis Zajac)

2005 Tukka Rask (Enough said)

2006 Jiri Tlusty (not a good pick)

2007 Traded to San Jose who took Cotoure (also available were Brandon Sutter, Lars Eller and David Perron)

2008 Luke Schenn

2009 Nazem Kadri

2010 Traded to Boston who took Seguin


Easy to see that our impatient method of trying to get into the playoffs by trading away draft picks, has really hurt this franchise.

agreed , but look at the Leafs track record for 1st round picks in the 90s and you will see why they undervalued their 1st rounders. it easily could have been just as bad.

 

[Johny Drama]

agreed , but look at the Leafs track record for 1st round picks in the 90s and you will see why they undervalued their 1st rounders. it easily could have been just as bad.

The difference is, there was no salary cap in the 90's. The Leafs were able to sign players in order to help soften the blow of draft picks not panning out.

At the end of the day, the draft is definitely a game of chance, but like everything else you increase your chances the more you play. Its the one time you get a chance to add a player at no cost.

Personally, I would NEVER trade a first rounder in today's NHL. There is such a small gap in points between 4th and 12th, that an injury or two can pretty much de-rail any team's hopes of making the playoffs. Having those draft picks is insurance, that you can always help improve your team in the future, no matter what.

 

[javier]

Wow, when you look at just the recent trades the Leafs made:

Tuukka Rask for Andrew Raycroft

Vesa Toskala for Logan Couture

Lee Stempniak for Alex Steen and Carlo Colaiacovo

Garnett Exelby for Pavel Kubina

Phil Kessel for two lottery picks

Its like a gay porno, with the Leafs getting ***** every time.

With this in mind, I dont want to see the Leafs make any trade, ever, I mean ever.

 

[GalacticaActual]

There is some truth to that all right. .

In 2006 Director of Scouting Barry Trapp wanted to draft Chris Stewart with Leafs pick at #13 overall, but his contract was expiring..

JFJ didn't like the suggestion, let Barry Trapp go and hired Dave Morrison to replace him a month before the draft.. JFJ and Morrison went on to draft Jiri Tlusty.

Chris Stewart had 28 goals 36 assists and 64 points in 77 games last season, and had (before getting injured in a fight), 11-14-25 points in 23 games this year.. He is now one of the best young power forwards in the game..

Can you imagine if Leafs had Chris Stewart and Logan Couture as two of their young players today taken from the 2006 and 2007 drafts alone??..

Reading this kind of stuff just makes me sick to my stomach. I can't believe how ****** it is to be a Leafs fan.

 

[dubey]

Ah man we could have had Lars Eller with that pick!!!

 

[Leafidelity]

Ah man we could have had Lars Eller with that pick!!!

Nono, apparently it's JFJs fault that Lars Eller was a trading chip in another trade. You know who wouldn't trade an asset if he knew it was going to be traded inconsequentially later on? Holland. He actually thinks five asset trades ahead and keeps a chart of the inner workings of each GMs mind.

lol, how did I know this ridiculous article would be posted. I guess the author knows his angry sheep. Get someone angry enough and it doesn't even need to make sense.

 

[Darcy Tucker]

Wow, when you look at just the recent trades the Leafs made:

Tuukka Rask for Andrew Raycroft

Vesa Toskala for Logan Couture

Lee Stempniak for Alex Steen and Carlo Colaiacovo

Garnett Exelby for Pavel Kubina

Phil Kessel for two lottery picks

Its like a gay porno, with the Leafs getting ***** every time.

With this in mind, I dont want to see the Leafs make any trade, ever, I mean ever.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Between the Raycroft and Toskala trades, I think it's safe to assume JFJ will never work as a GM again.

As for the pick, let's not assume that the Leafs would have drafted a real impact star player in the first round. That's a fairly large assumption when you look at the miserable draft history of this franchise.

You can throw Burke's name in there in about 2 years or less.

 

[KilPhessel]

I wanted to draft him to, kid will be a great two way center and is proving it now with his first full time job. I know its easy to say I still just dont get why every team but the leafs decides to hold onto to their first, cause smart Gms know thats were the talent is. Think about what we have given up in 1st roud picks for a while

2002- alex steen - coming off a 24 goal season great two way, later traded for stemps, which then turned out to be 4 and 7 round picks

2005- Rask - will be a starting goalie for a while

2007- 1st rounder for toskola, who knows if we pick coutoure but still theirs a chance.

2008 - schenn

2009 - kadri

2010 - seguin

2011- ? top 10


now theirs a core

Ya seriously...

Kadri-Seguin-Couture
Schenn Larsson
Rask

 

[Sokil]

Vesa Toskala for Logan Couture

the assets we gave up for toskala amounted to nothing

sj packed the pick with other assets to move up, something we wouldn't have done. we DID NOT trade couture for vesa, we traded a bunch of nothing for vesa


it was a good trade

 

[NigelTufnel]

the assets we gave up for toskala amounted to nothing

sj packed the pick with other assets to move up, something we wouldn't have done. we DID NOT trade couture for vesa, we traded a bunch of nothing for vesa


it was a good trade

Wow, this is the first time I've heard anyone defend that trade in a looooooooooooonngggggggggg time

 

[BrannigansLaw]

the assets we gave up for toskala amounted to nothing

sj packed the pick with other assets to move up, something we wouldn't have done. we DID NOT trade couture for vesa, we traded a bunch of nothing for vesa


it was a good trade

how was it a good trade? We have nothing to show for it. SJ inevitably ended up with Couture and we got jack****.

Did we not have to take Mark Bell from them as well in that trade? Another brilliant deal by the Maple Leafs braintrust.

 

[Sokil]

how was it a good trade? We have nothing to show for it. SJ inevitably ended up with Couture and we got jack****.

Did we not have to take Mark Bell from them as well in that trade? Another brilliant deal by the Maple Leafs braintrust.

we got a #1 goalie in return to make up for the Raskcroft debacle

what of the assets we gave up? bunch of bust prospects? big deal

couture isn't even an equation, it was a move SJ did

 

[NigelTufnel]

Its all just nostalgia, but what if we never traded away a first pick no matter what.

2002 Alex Steen (not a star, but the trade for stempniak now looks brutal)

2003 Traded to San Jose who took Steve Bernier (availabe players were Getzlaf, Mike Richards, Parise, Corey Perry and Ryan Kesler)

2004 Traded to NYR who took Lauri Korpikoski (available players were Mike Green, Wojtek Wolski and Travis Zajac)

2005 Tukka Rask (Enough said)

2006 Jiri Tlusty (not a good pick)

2007 Traded to San Jose who took Cotoure (also available were Brandon Sutter, Lars Eller and David Perron)

2008 Luke Schenn

2009 Nazem Kadri

2010 Traded to Boston who took Seguin


Easy to see that our impatient method of trying to get into the playoffs by trading away draft picks, has really hurt this franchise.

The bolded is one that really hurts me bad, that 2003 draft was UNREAL and we missed the party, as usual

And we got Owen Nolan. Ouch.

 

[Johny Drama]

the assets we gave up for toskala amounted to nothing

sj packed the pick with other assets to move up, something we wouldn't have done. we DID NOT trade couture for vesa, we traded a bunch of nothing for vesa


it was a good trade

Our actual pick was used on Lars Eller.
We also gave up a 2nd rounder as part of that deal.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

we got a #1 goalie in return to make up for the Raskcroft debacle

what of the assets we gave up? bunch of bust prospects? big deal

couture isn't even an equation, it was a move SJ did

Yea, I know that. That's why I specifically said that they inevitably ended with Couture through responsible asset management.

The main "asset" we got back is now playing in Finland or who the **** knows where.

 

[Sokil]

yeah but thats a silly way of looking at it

what if boston packed rask with chara for malkin? would you be saying "omg we traded malkin for raycroft"?

 

[Johny Drama]

we got a #1 goalie in return to make up for the Raskcroft debacle

what of the assets we gave up? bunch of bust prospects? big deal

couture isn't even an equation, it was a move SJ did

What #1 goalie did we get?

 

[Sokil]

What #1 goalie did we get?

vesa toskala, destroyer of worlds

 

[BrannigansLaw]

yeah but thats a silly way of looking at it

what if boston packed rask with chara for malkin? would you be saying "omg we traded malkin for raycroft"?

No, because a trade like that would be out of the realm of possibility for the Leafs. We had the assets to move up to the 9th if we wanted to (I agree that it wouldn't have happened).

Regardless, I still think it was a terrible trade. Every time I see the words "Leafs" and "1st round pick" involved in a trade, I just know we lost the trade without even looking at the player we got back. I truly wonder if this organization will ever pull their heads out of their *****

 

[Johny Drama]

yeah but thats a silly way of looking at it

what if boston packed rask with chara for malkin? would you be saying "omg we traded malkin for raycroft"?

Did a bit of research, and San Jose actually traded the pick we gave them 13th overall AND the 2nd round pick we gave them (also in the Toskala deal) to move up 4th spots to get Couture.

So...whether or not we would have made the same deal is another story, but the assets moved to get him were all owned by us and can't argue that it was do-able.

 

[Sokil]

The main "asset" we got back is now playing in Finland or who the **** knows where.

He tried playing in Sweden on a 1 month contract but the team cut him