Friedman: 'Wouldn't be surprised if Flames are interested in OEL and Kuemper'

[rt]

There will be a million decent goalies available this year because of the expansion draft and limited protections. I really would not want to give up a 1st for Kuemper.

If you listen to the Friedman broadcasts, you’ll learn that he’s not getting his info from AZ sources, he’s getting it from league sources. He’s complained that he can’t get anything out of AZ. And he’s absolutely emphatic that any Kuemper trade would return a first rounder at minimum. That’s what he’s got from talking to other teams.

Doesn’t mean Calgary or any other team will pay that price. But that’s the perceived value around the league.

Anyway, I don’t think Arizona will trade Kuemper. I think Tocchet wants the keep everyone together and try again. It seems to me he’s influencing heavily the GM search and will likely get the team to hire a like-minded candidate.

I’m a Coyotes fan who wants to trade every player over 25 on the roster. But I don’t expect the team to trade major pieces of the roster. With the lone exception of OEL. And that’s just because he and Tocchet don’t get along and have been like oil and water from the start.

I think Tocchet believes he needs someone who can score goals. And I think he believes he’s better off letting Kuemper get shelled and insodoing, hiding the loss of OEL.

I could see something like OEL+Stepan with retention for Monahan+Lucic with retention. Something like that. Where Tocchet thinks he getting goals.

Doesn’t seem like a great fit for Ottawa who gets even thinner at center, though.

 

[Double Dion]

that's nearly 13 million in salary, and 19 for Kuemper is fair-ish value, I suppose.

I'd guess they'd offer something along the lines of Hanifin+Ryan+19th+2021 2nd and maybe a prospect like Phillips or something, but that would basically be it for Flames moves this offseason.

Nothing that hurts us too much in that package. That's a lot of moving pieces though. I'd be very wary on OEL. That's a lot of years left for a guy who hasn't impressed me in any of my viewings of him the past 2 seasons. He's a lot like Hanifin or Nurse for me. The skill set is intriguing, but the on ice play leaves me wanting.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Nothing that hurts us too much in that package. That's a lot of moving pieces though. I'd be very wary on OEL. That's a lot of years left for a guy who hasn't impressed me in any of my viewings of him the past 2 seasons. He's a lot like Hanifin or Nurse for me. The skill set is intriguing, but the on ice play leaves me wanting.

My logic was positional downgrade for the Coyotes but they get younger and with big cap savings. Ryan can play and is only for a year, and they can recoup some of the futures they've lost. I don't know if it's enough though, they'll probably want a first for OEL as well if they're getting one for Kuemper.

He scares me a bit too. We've been talking about it on the Oiler board but there's no real consensus if we want to go for him or not. If last year was just a blip/Tocchet sucks, then it's a good bet he'll bounce back, but there's always the worry he's starting a downturn a la Subban.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

If you listen to the Friedman broadcasts, you’ll learn that he’s not getting his info from AZ sources, he’s getting it from league sources. He’s complained that he can’t get anything out of AZ. And he’s absolutely emphatic that any Kuemper trade would return a first rounder at minimum. That’s what he’s got from talking to other teams.

Doesn’t mean Calgary or any other team will pay that price. But that’s the perceived value around the league.

Anyway, I don’t think Arizona will trade Kuemper. I think Tocchet wants the keep everyone together and try again. It seems to me he’s influencing heavily the GM search and will likely get the team to hire a like-minded candidate.

I’m a Coyotes fan who wants to trade every player over 25 on the roster. But I don’t expect the team to trade major pieces of the roster. With the lone exception of OEL. And that’s just because he and Tocchet don’t get along and have been like oil and water from the start.

I think Tocchet believes he needs someone who can score goals. And I think he believes he’s better off letting Kuemper get shelled and insodoing, hiding the loss of OEL.

I could see something like OEL+Stepan with retention for Monahan+Lucic with retention. Something like that. Where Tocchet thinks he getting goals.

Doesn’t seem like a great fit for Ottawa who gets even thinner at center, though.

No chance that would happen. First Lucic won't waive. Secondly, Monahan is not being moved for a 2/3C and another LD. That would be horrible asset management.

 

[Tah246]

Maybe something that looks like:

To Flames:
OEL
Kuemper
Rights to Hall

To Coyotes:
Gaudreau
Hanifin
Condition draft pick (based on hall signing)

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Does Calgary have the assets to acquire OEL and Kuemper in 1 deal?

 

[Szechwan]

Maybe something that looks like:

To Flames:
OEL
Kuemper
Rights to Hall

To Coyotes:
Gaudreau
Hanifin
Condition draft pick (based on hall signing)

Hall has said his main priority is winning, I highly doubt Calgary comes to mind when he considers his options.

 

[Tah246]

Hall has said his main priority is winning, I highly doubt Calgary comes to mind when he considers his options.

Maybe not but if he takes Kuemper with him that could change things quite a bit for him. All he did was praise his goaltending during the playoffs.

 

[madmike77]

The issue with the Flames is they aren't just a good goalie away from being a Cup contender. They have a lot of other needs.

Kuemper is certainly an upgrade for them, but I don't see him putting the Flames over the top. The only time you should deal a 1st is for a player that's really going to make your team a contender.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

My logic was positional downgrade for the Coyotes but they get younger and with big cap savings. Ryan can play and is only for a year, and they can recoup some of the futures they've lost. I don't know if it's enough though, they'll probably want a first for OEL as well if they're getting one for Kuemper.

He scares me a bit too. We've been talking about it on the Oiler board but there's no real consensus if we want to go for him or not. If last year was just a blip/Tocchet sucks, then it's a good bet he'll bounce back, but there's always the worry he's starting a downturn a la Subban.

I think a team like NYR is more prep'd to go after a big name like OEL. Send some futures back as well as cap dumps. I personally would rather keep Hanifin between the 2. OEL is currently the better player but at twice the cap hit and 5 years older. Hanifin also lowkey had a great playoffs, lead (tied for the lead) the team in EV points. Since being partnered with Andersson instead of Hamonic there have been massive improvements in both synergy and overall gameplay.

 

[Forge]

Condition draft pick (based on hall signing)

Can't do this any more I'm pretty sure

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

What 's the asking price for OEL? (for any team)

Would the Yotes consider 1yr @$6M in LTIR as a small part of the trade package?

 

[tsujimoto74]

Elliotte Friedman: Vegas' goalie situation, player tracking technology and Ekman-Larsson's future - Sportsnet.ca

Around the 18 minute mark from yesterday's show.

So what are you offering Flames fans?

Friedman is adament that Kuemper will return a first rounder at minimum.

Well, that seems like a stretch considering how many goalies are already on the market. I'm sure the Yotes would love that, since they're fresh out of 1st rounders for the next 2 years, but I don't see it in such a buyer's market.

 

[Fatass]

Does Calgary have the assets to acquire OEL and Kuemper in 1 deal?

Coyotes would be looking for contracts that are relatively cheap for the player’s production. Johnny is exactly that guy. Plus, he’s a star, who is fun to watch.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Coyotes would be looking for contracts that are relatively cheap for the player’s production. Johnny is exactly that guy. Plus, he’s a star, who is fun to watch.

Gaudreau would be a terrible fit in Arizona IMO, particularly under Tocchet. That's where offensive players go to die.

 

[blankall]

Ughhh no...

Calgary needs another game-breaking forward to take pressure of Johnny. If they are going all in, they should be looking at signing Hall and, if they are giving up big future assets, acquiring a RW.

The only game they had a defensive collapse in the entire playoffs was the last game. Other than that 3 of the games they lost to Dallas were very tight.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Coyotes would be looking for contracts that are relatively cheap for the player’s production. Johnny is exactly that guy. Plus, he’s a star, who is fun to watch.

I was thinking more in terms of futures as that would require a ton of futures.But yes Johnny hockey could be part of a deal

 

[Muffin]

Colorado should be calling if those two are available, they have the young assets and cap space to make it happen. OEL-Makar pairing would be awesome.

 

[Mosby]

Well, that seems like a stretch considering how many goalies are already on the market. I'm sure the Yotes would love that, since they're fresh out of 1st rounders for the next 2 years, but I don't see it in such a buyer's market.

Crowded market for sure but Kuemper has been the best goalie in the NHL since Jan 2019, both in GAA and SV%.

 

[Bond]

Gaudreau or Monahan involved in any trade for Kuemper/OEL is a no go.

 

[Bond]

He scares me a bit too. We've been talking about it on the Oiler board but there's no real consensus if we want to go for him or not. If last year was just a blip/Tocchet sucks, then it's a good bet he'll bounce back, but there's always the worry he's starting a downturn a la Subban.

His contract scares me as well. That is a lot of cap if he doesn't return to being a #1 which he hasn't looked like in a bit.

 

[Drew311]

Rick Tocchet is a scam. Kuemper was facing 40-plus shots every playoff game. A lot of high danger ones too.

Are we not forgetting a couple seasons of .925 - .930 sv%?

Kuemper just isn’t that good and it will show if he gets traded to a team with less defensive structure.

 

[Mosby]

I'm saying there isn't a defensive structure. Look at shot differentials in both the Nashville and Colorado playoff series. Just because Arizona doesn't play offensively doesn't mean they play defensively. Tocchet's entire system is illogical.

 

[Mosby]

The Coyotes played 9 playoff/play-in games. Kuemper faced at least 40 shots in 5 of them:

40/43
39/40
49/52
37/40
49/51

I've seen single mothers get more support than Kuemper did.

 

[blankall]

Crowded market for sure but Kuemper has been the best goalie in the NHL since Jan 2019, both in GAA and SV%.

Except for that pesky playoff run where he was not so hot.