Would YOU trade Chara this offseason?

[BB88]

Why do you have to get rid of Chara or Seidenberg? other ways to shed salary.

Starting with not having and 4th liner making more than 800K per. follow that with your #5&6 Dman collectively making less than 3m.

i like Krug, but if he can't play on the top 4 then he shouldn't be paid over 3m per.

We would be even worse if we do that, again seids+chara have max 2 years left and they aren't that useful anymore, so why would we do THE same mistake again and trade young talented player over vets past their prime?
That would be huge mistake, huge huge huge.
I thought we all agreed we were already short on talent and you want to make us even less talented group and SLOWER.

Seids can't play on the top4 and he gets 4M, atleast krug is our PP speacialist, something we desperately need.
When seids and chara are done who do we have left, just hamilton?
And Iäve been saying all along that we need to make 4th line cheaper,
and kelly has to be out too, next year he's 4th line player and our 4th line would be 5m+ against cap.
We use those savings to re-sign, find a new forward and a new D player.

We need to get younger, faster and more talented.

 

[Scotto74]

I would trade anyone if the price was right

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

If you trade Chara you better have a plan for our defense. Hamilton is fine but he is in NO way Charas replacement.

Like any player/trade it depends on the deal.

If we could get a 1st rounder and a young NHL player back I do it.

Chara might grab that kind of return if not for the fact that a team is going to have fit his 7 million under their cap.

What I realistically see (if a deal happens, which I think won't happen with PC at the helm) is a slightly underwhelming return, with cap relief and a couple of good to very good prospects. Hopefully a high pick too.

It seems to always go back to drafting too. Got to start finding a way to grab a hold of (other than Dougie) D-men that are legitimately top 3.

 

[MtlBoxFan]

Not only is that completely off-topic, it's just wrong. If you listened to Chia or Claude, you know they're hell bent on keeping Z "until he retires". There's no circumvention there...they plan on keeping him until the end of that contract, sad as it may be. If he's playing in the final year of his contract (in which he is actually getting paid 4 mil), but the cap hit is almost 7 million...where exactly is the circumvention? Sorry, you're just incorrect on that one.

And to answer your last question...I'd give him second pairing money. Around 4 million, 4.5 million maximum. Most importantly, I'd want him playing a lot less.

Mmmkay...so you front load, paying a guy 8.5 +1.0 totalling 9.5, then by 2016, he's being paid 5 million and he's deteriorating. I don't think Chia had any belief Chara would make it to term, thus the 6.9 mil cap hit he got is a bargain. Those low end years just lower the annual cap hit. I'd be surprised if Chara plays another 82 games.

 

[MtlBoxFan]

Not the point.

Of course it is. What would Belichick do? Something Chia isn't allowed to do. That's the point.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

Mmmkay...so you front load, paying a guy 8.5 +1.0 totalling 9.5, then by 2016, he's being paid 5 million and he's deteriorating. I don't think Chia had any belief Chara would make it to term, thus the 6.9 mil cap hit he got is a bargain. Those low end years just lower the annual cap hit. I'd be surprised if Chara plays another 82 games.

Yeah, you don't get it.

As long as this coach-GM tandem is here, Chara is playing as long as he wants. He's not just going to unexpectedly decide to retire or be traded. As much crap as I've been giving him lately, I respect the fact that the guy will most likely be committed to playing the game as long as anyone gives him the chance.

 

[Lost Horizons]

No team is going to take Chara without salary being retained. They are better off moving Lucic to a team like Nashville and getting some of their d prospects back.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

Of course it is. What would Belichick do? Something Chia isn't allowed to do. That's the point.

No. The overall point is Belichick does not in any way, shape, or form get attached to players. He doesn't extend guys for their "loyalty" to the team. He gives out contracts based on perceived value to the team if it lines up with the players' demands.

Even if it's a net loss for the following season, it's a proven beneficial strategy in the long run.

The main point of the post is there no matter how much you want to fight it off.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

No team is going to take Chara without salary being retained. They are better off moving Lucic to a team like Nashville and getting some of their d prospects back.

Depending on the return, I'd be up for retaining something like 25% salary. No higher, however. And as I said, the return would need to be something at least somewhat proven.

 

[MTaylorJ1]

This is almost always the wrong question.

The right question is if Chara waives one of the 19 golden ticket NTCs (albeit one of the few deserved), what type of return would you need to trade him and who would potentially over it to you?

 

[RustyBruins72]

I would trade anyone if the price was right

Of course.

But at this point do you think the return on Z would be an equal swap?

I'm thinking the best the Bruins could do is the type of trade they got for Joe.

I don't think anyone gives the bruins the pick package that PK brought.

I voted no. At this point, imo, it would be just for the sake of trading him.

 

[Mathews28]

This is almost always the wrong question.

The right question is if Chara waives one of the 19 golden ticket NTCs (albeit one of the few deserved), what type of return would you need to trade him and who would potentially over it to you?

Struggling with this one, because the return I suspect they'd get is minimal, unless the B's eat salary, and that defeats much of the purpose.

If they could move him without retaining $$$ AND get a 2nd and a third? I do it. If they could move him without eating bucks AND get a cheap, younger #3 or so d-man? I do it.

If I have to retain more than $3 million, or take on more than that for someone who's not an impact player, I'm not sure I pull the trigger. Trading Z means taking a major hit to this teams chances to make the playoffs the next 2 years. As down as I have been on him, moving Z would signal a major rebuild for me. Personally I can take a rebuild, my investment in the team is emotional, but it's not my life and it doesn't affect my wallet. I don't know if the B's brass or fans have the stomach for it though.

 

[BB88]

Struggling with this one, because the return I suspect they'd get is minimal, unless the B's eat salary, and that defeats much of the purpose.

If they could move him without retaining $$$ AND get a 2nd and a third? I do it. If they could move him without eating bucks AND get a cheap, younger #3 or so d-man? I do it.

If I have to retain more than $3 million, or take on more than that for someone who's not an impact player, I'm not sure I pull the trigger. Trading Z means taking a major hit to this teams chances to make the playoffs the next 2 years. As down as I have been on him, moving Z would signal a major rebuild for me. Personally I can take a rebuild, my investment in the team is emotional, but it's not my life and it doesn't affect my wallet. I don't know if the B's brass or fans have the stomach for it though.

For me chara trade would be purely for the future, gives us 7M to sign new players(young players), we have so many holes on this team and that 7M would go a long way.
Make this team younger and make sure we can be contenders for the next 5+ years.
Especially if he needs a surgey, 1 summer isn't enough time to recover.

 

[Mathews28]

For me chara trade would be purely for the future, gives us 7M to sign new players(young players), we have so many holes on this team and that 7M would go a long way.
Make this team younger and make sure we can be contenders for the next 5+ years.
Especially if he needs a surgey, 1 summer isn't enough time to recover.

But that move alone doesn't make them a contender...there has to be a recognition that it's part of a series of bold moves to contend quick...or a longer transition that means the team is going to be a middling squad for a couple years.

 

[BB88]

But that move alone doesn't make them a contender...there has to be a recognition that it's part of a series of bold moves to contend quick...or a longer transition that means the team is going to be a middling squad for a couple years.

yes I know that, but that could be one of those moves.
then we let campbell+paille+bart walk, kelly needs to be traded, can't have a 4th line guy with 3M cap hit(new gm would do this, will chia?)
It's going to be very hard day if they let soda walk for free, yes that gives us millions but for free yiks.
Then I'd try to trade smith+ for a D-man, for nashville's ellis kinda player(24, signed for 4years with 2.5M cap hit).
On my papers Connolly/eriksson hopefully takes smith's place on the 2nd line.
Rw line, pasta. eriksson, connolly, ferlin, and by trade we can add top talent if we can, would have the cap space.
Then you have cap to find a good 3rd line lw if you want/need to.

But if I had to choose I'd trade seids over chara, because chara is the captain and seids should be a 3rd pairing guy with 4M cap hit, way too much.
Seids already lost a step before his injury.
Now we should have cap to sign new players who can help us.
Atleast 1 good F and 1 good D.


Chara- hamilton
x/krug- Ellis
Krug/x- McQ
Morrow

 

[Central Scrutinizer]

We would be even worse if we do that, again seids+chara have max 2 years left and they aren't that useful anymore, so why would we do THE same mistake again and trade young talented player over vets past their prime?
That would be huge mistake, huge huge huge.
I thought we all agreed we were already short on talent and you want to make us even less talented group and SLOWER.

Seids can't play on the top4 and he gets 4M, atleast krug is our PP speacialist, something we desperately need.
When seids and chara are done who do we have left, just hamilton?
And Iäve been saying all along that we need to make 4th line cheaper,
and kelly has to be out too, next year he's 4th line player and our 4th line would be 5m+ against cap.
We use those savings to re-sign, find a new forward and a new D player.

We need to get younger, faster and more talented.

Seidenberg is coming off serious knee surgery. His type of injury takes over a year to get back to game shape. He will be fine as a #4 next year. where are you going to find a top 4 Dman making 4m or less?

You want to get rid of Seidenberg, fine...Who do you replace him with? And don't just say someone younger and cheaper. because that won't happen

i would move Krug if the Bruins could get their hands on a legit top 4D, say Petry.

Chara Hamilton
Petry Seidenberg

 

[BB88]

Seidenberg is coming off serious knee surgery. His type of injury takes over a year to get back to game shape. He will be fine as a #4 next year. where are you going to find a top 4 Dman making 4m or less?

You want to get rid of Seidenberg, fine...Who do you replace him with? And don't just say someone younger and cheaper. because that won't happen

i would move Krug if the Bruins could get their hands on a legit top 4D, say Petry.

Chara Hamilton
Petry Seidenberg

How do you know that? Seids was already lost a step before his injury,
and next year he will be again 1 year older, right now it's not hard to replace seids, he's done more harm than good, and I really hate to say that because I hoped so bad to see him back, but this is hockey and I love the team more. Seids has already had 15months and has gone nowhere in his recovery, Seids kind of player just can't afford to suffer lower body injury at his age.

And again why on earth would we trade talent before vets???????
Krug is PP specialist that we haven't had and you'd still keep seids here and move krug. We need to get younger and more talented and you do the opposite again. MORE TALENT.

Much depends on gm and his plan for spooner and soda, if they think spooner can be a real #2C with Soda for us we should move Krecji, I'd call nashville 1st, they have crazy D depth and get Jones,
Moving Krecji for Jones would give us 6M cap to sign a great player or 2 strong players.

1 thing we have to do in my mind is move smith+ for a D-men, again for Nashville and get Ellis, 24, signed for 4years with 2.5M, plays 20mins per night for them.

Then you look at the ufa's that are going to be available, krecji savings would give us sekera money, seids+krecji+Smith=13.5M cap space, 2 D players with 7.5M and use the rest to sign a new forward.
4th line savings for re-signings. Campbell+Paille+Kelly=5M savings

Chara-Hamilton
Sekera/Petry/-Ellis or Ellis/sekera-Jones
Krug-McQ

Better defense, more speed, youth and talent. Lots of cap to upgrade F.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

Random question:

Why was Jeff Petry all of the sudden regarded as a "solid defenseman"?

I saw no reason for it and his lack of any sort of meaningful contribution in Montreal has really re-enforced my skepticism.

 

[SPV]

I think the return investment you get from trading Chara would negate the cap savings. As others have already said, you aren't going to find anyone willing to give you a high end package, and even if you do, then Chara has to waive to go there.

If we are looking to shed cap and maximize your return, it has to be guys like Lucic, Eriksson, or Krejci. Personally I explore Krejci as he will return you very good value and save you the most cap space. Plus his position is an area of depth on your team.

 

[wetcamelfood]

I'm thinking the best the Bruins could do is the type of trade they got for Joe.

I voted no. At this point, imo, it would be just for the sake of trading him.

But the difference is Sturm/Stuart/Primeau had just signed extensions. If they could get plugs (hopefully better but, if you can't get picks and they want to swap money for money) that were in the last year of their deals then after next year all $ would then be off the books and the new team would be stuck with the rest of the Chara deal, though I know, the Bs would realistically have to retain on this.

 

[Central Scrutinizer]

Random question:

Why was Jeff Petry all of the sudden regarded as a "solid defenseman"?

I saw no reason for it and his lack of any sort of meaningful contribution in Montreal has really re-enforced my skepticism.

Petry is a good top 4 Dman.

 

[BB88]

Random question:

Why was Jeff Petry all of the sudden regarded as a "solid defenseman"?

I saw no reason for it and his lack of any sort of meaningful contribution in Montreal has really re-enforced my skepticism.

In what world Petry isn't an upgrade on Bart or Seids?

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

Petry is a good top 4 Dman.

I'm not even sure I agree.

He certainly was sold well by Edmonton as that, however.

 

[Btown]

No u show our captain the respect he has earned and allow him to finish out his contract. We keep the stability of management and the respectability of an organization that honors contracts. If used correctly Chara is a "huge" asset and may play past his contract for us and may even be a rafter hanger,.....

 

[BigBear83]

definitely would .. no hesitation at all. i trade him to the islanders . let him go back to his roots.. they will be contending and want him. you get back rheinhardt and/or de haan even if you have to add to the deal. you find a way to make it work and get back some value and future talent