Would Lou and trotz gotten this same turn around from the oilers?

[LamorielloAndSon]

if the offseason went differently and Lou ended up in Edmonton and was able to bring Barry trotz in would they be having a similar season to what the isles are doing now?

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[Helistin]

I doubt they would have joined the Oilers unless the dysfunctional Old Boys Club were purged completely. They want to win hockey games and not to run a wellfare office for the ex-players from the 80's.

 

[Plural]

There's so much issues with the management in the franchise that . I don't think there's an easy fix. But I do believe these two would be a big upgrade and at the very least would be setting a new tone to the franchise. But likely would take longer for them to alter the course.

 

[HF007]

Slightly better but the talent is just not there

 

[Coffey]

Slightly better but the talent is just not there

Yup. Team is built on a pile of shit with a few gems on top. Can't win anything with that.

Chia f***ed us good.

 

[nobody]

I don't think Lou would agree to go to a team with the amount of shit heads at the top of the Org that Oilers have. He accepted NYI because he has full autonomy there. Trotz might have gone to Edmonton and I think he would have made them significantly better defensively.

Talent wise I don't think there's really much of a difference between the two teams. As much as people like to shit on the Oilers the Isles really don't have that good of a roster and a ton of the credit for their success has to go to Trotz and his systems. Makes his goalies lives much easier.

 

[Rowlet]

no, the Isles are where the Oilers were before they won the McDavid lottery, the Oilers are stuck in a cycle of no young talent and no vets worth anything.

 

[bukwas]

I believe they would have improved Edmontons situation to some extent but I'd say they had more(cap space, prospects, autonomy etc.) to work with in L.I.

 

[ItWasJustified]

No. It would be a very short term treatment to the cancer that is Oilers upper management.

 

[Newsworthy]

if the offseason went differently and Lou ended up in Edmonton and was able to bring Barry trotz in would they be having a similar season to what the isles are doing now?

No. Simply put.

 

[Newsworthy]

I don't think Lou would agree to go to a team with the amount of **** heads at the top of the Org that Oilers have. He accepted NYI because he has full autonomy there. Trotz might have gone to Edmonton and I think he would have made them significantly better defensively.

Talent wise I don't think there's really much of a difference between the two teams. As much as people like to **** on the Oilers the Isles really don't have that good of a roster and a ton of the credit for their success has to go to Trotz and his systems. Makes his goalies lives much easier.

That is because you aren't familiar with the Islanders players.
Forwards maybe underwhelming but the defense has young talent.
Right now Pulock has eight points in his last eight games for a team that plays a defensive style.
Everybody gets excited about fancy numbers. The only stat that counts is wins and Trotz is a great coach but he's only as good as his players.
In the end talent wins out.

 

[LamorielloAndSon]

That is because you aren't familiar with the Islanders players.
Forwards maybe underwhelming but the defense has young talent.
Right now Pulock has eight points in his last eight games for a team that plays a defensive style.
Everybody gets excited about fancy numbers. The only stat that counts is wins and Trotz is a great coach but he's only as good as his players.
In the end talent wins out.

I think it’s both I think any team with the right coaching can get into the playoffs and make noise, that’s just the parity of the league

 

[txpd]

What the Oilers really need is Bruce Boudreau

 

[Newsworthy]

I think it’s both I think any team with the right coaching can get into the playoffs and make noise, that’s just the parity of the league

I agree. Best team in paper rArely ever wins. Trotz gets the best out of the talent he has to work with.

 

[NHL WAR]

The addition of those two would have tipped the scales closer to stable than dysfunctional, but that doesn't mean they would instantly be a contender. Would have took prime Sam Pollock and Scotty Bowman to make these Oilers a contender in a matter of months.

 

[Todd from Leduc]

Hall, Eberle, 1st, 2nd for Gagne, Lucic, Griffin Reinhart, Larsson. Nuff said.

 

[ThePhoenixx]

Yup. Team is built on a pile of **** with a few gems on top. Can't win anything with that.

Chia ****ed us good.

The OBC screwed the Oilers. Chia just helped.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

Yup, well maybe not exactly the same amount but definately would have them in a playoff spot and ALOT better 100%.

Majority of people wrote off NYI when they lost JT in the offseason and Lou acquired/signed all those guys that people felt were 3rd/4th line grinders... These 2 guys are MASSIVE reasons for NYI success. Somehow they are a way better team now without JT

I have no question what so ever they would have improved the Oilers a ton

 

[Kevin27NYI]

Lou got full control of the isles Hockey Ops. Oilers ownership has old guys still around, unwilling to move them.

So no.

But I hope whoever gets in there has same mindset because I love the team first over players because all this talk where it’s just McDavid and being worried about wasting his years is nauseating. If McDavid retired tomorrow the team still lives. Just make the team better damn.

 

[Celtic Note]

The answer seems to be a resounding no. There are too many fatal flaws that need attention in Edmonton for a coach and GM to fix in under a season.

 

[Uncle Scrooge]

No.

Bringing Trotz in doesn't change the fact the Oilers forward group is still piss poor. Icing slow plugs and ahl players isn't going to win you a lot of games in this league.

Maybe they have a hot start/good 1st half when teams aren't firing on all cylinders but i doubt same success.

 

[Instant]

if the offseason went differently and Lou ended up in Edmonton and was able to bring Barry trotz in would they be having a similar season to what the isles are doing now?

I know it's easy to say that Lamoriello and Trotz turned this team around (and they did, don't get me wrong), but there was also one crucial change that allowed all of this to happen - the ownership. Ledecky and Malkin - well, mostly Malkin, because he's the one in big boy pants with big money - took their sweet time, but they are finally getting shit done. Without Malkin giving Lou full autonomy over hockey decisions, without them putting a lot of money into Belmont and paying Trotz...

So yeah, I'll forever be happy that Lamoriello and Trotz ended up with the Isles, but without the new owners that wouldn't be possible. And maybe the Oilers also need a bigger change than GM and HC.

 

[ES]

Anyone to Katz: "Lou Lamoriello has won three Stanley Cups. Acquiring him would be helpful for the franchise"

Katz's answer: "Kevin Lowe has six Stanley Cups! Craig MacTavish has four! They are surely better options."

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

They would be better yes, but not the same record as the Isles.

Trotz - Simply put I think he's the best coach in the NHL. If he had the Oilers from day 1, they would have more points than they do now.

Lou - Chiarelli made one bad desperate decision after another this season to try and save his job. He took somewhat useful players in Strome and Cagguila and managed to downgrade the talent on this team even more. I don't think Lou would have made any huge splashes, but I think he would have made small positive moves instead of the small negative ones by Chiarelli.

I still maintain that if they hire the right guy, and kick out the OBC, this is still VERY fixable. You have the best player in the game, and a 40g+ plus this season in Drai and Nuge is a great 2C. Klef, Larsson, Bouchard and Nurse aren't a bad start to build a defense from, and Bakersfield has now won 15 in a row with some intriguing prospects.

It will take about 2 years of painful patience. But McDavid can still win a cup in Edmonton if they cut the crap now!

 

[Kegsey]

Islanders are a young team looking to make a name for themselves and they got the Stanley Cup winning coach right after they lost their star player. That's a huge change of culture.

The Oilers have had the same losing culture for years. That team is broken.