Worst Drafting Teams (in 1st Round) Since the Lockout

[Atoyot]

Winnipeg Jets
Year R OA Name
2011 1 7 Mark Scheifele BUST
2012 1 9 Jacob Trouba BUST
2013 1 13 Josh Morrissey BUST
2014 1 9 Nikolaj Ehlers BUST
2015 1 17 Kyle Connor BUST
2015 1 25 Jack Roslovic BUST
2016 1 2 Patrik Laine BUST
2016 1 18 Logan Stanley BUST
2017 1 24 Kristian Vesalainen BUST

AIAEC

Someone start a thread for the 2nd Round, we got sum more busts!

Not even a subtle brag.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

There should be an easy way to quantify this.

Here is a good attempt.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/posts/139251913/

 

[93LEAFS]

At what point do these teams ignore their scouts and just draft by NHLe or the top scoring CHL player available at their pick?

Florida has been doing this in the 2nd round in recent years since they hired the Draft cohort guys from Canucks Army.

 

[YEM]

Carolina's had 10 picks inside the top 15 since '05
Dallas: 7
Detroit: 2
Edmonton: 9

 

[93LEAFS]

I think most GM's are the ones in charge of first round picks. It's ultimately their decision. Anything after the first round or two, I doubt GM's have heard of 90% of the players.

They sign off but most of the times it’s the scouting directors call.

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

Winnipeg Jets
Year R OA Name
2011 1 7 Mark Scheifele BUST
2012 1 9 Jacob Trouba BUST
2013 1 13 Josh Morrissey BUST
2014 1 9 Nikolaj Ehlers BUST
2015 1 17 Kyle Connor BUST
2015 1 25 Jack Roslovic BUST
2016 1 2 Patrik Laine BUST
2016 1 18 Logan Stanley BUST
2017 1 24 Kristian Vesalainen BUST

AIAEC

Someone start a thread for the 2nd Round, we got sum more busts!

I'm going to start a thread about "worst playoff teams". I'm expecting you to sarcastically jump in the thread and brag about Winnipeg's success in the playoffs. Do you think you can do that for me?

 

[Gnashville]

There are more rounds after the 1st. That’s what separates the Men from the Boys in drafting.

Predators are hit and miss
2008 Colin Wilson (disappointment but serviceable player)
Chet Pickard (complete bust)
2009 Ryan Ellis (top pairing Defensemen)
2010 Austin Watson (underrated Bottom 6 forward)
2011 no pick
2012 no pick
2013 Seth Jones (top pairing Defensemen no brainer pick)
2014 Kevin Fiala (becoming a top 6 forward)
2015 no
2016 Dante Fabbro (too early)
2017 Eeli Tolvanen (too early)

Honestly Poile has done as well in the 4th round
2009 Mattias Ekholm Craig Smith
2013 Jusse Saros
2014 Viktor Arrvidson

 

[Johnny HFBOARDS]

I'm going to start a thread about "worst playoff teams". I'm expecting you to sarcastically jump in the thread and brag about Winnipeg's success in the playoffs. Do you think you can do that for me?

Sure, hockey is an old game. We'll start here.

The Victorias first won the Stanley Cup in 1896, defeated the Montreal Victorias in a single-game challenge 2-0 on February 14, 1896 in Montreal. In the rematch, Winnipeg lost to Montreal in a single-game challenge 5-6 on December 30, 1896 in Winnipeg.

 

[Pavels Dog]

I think it's Dallas,

2005: Matt Niskanen (28th)
-Never great player for Dallas, came into his own after his trade, but he was the afterthought in what's considered a pretty bad trade for the Stars (Neal for Goligoski)

2006: Ivan Vishnevskiy (27th)
-Straight up bust. Played 5 games in the NHL and isn't a particularly good defensemen in the KHL either.

2007: None
2008: None

2009: Scott Glennie (8th)
-Bust, though derailed somewhat by injuries. Far from the only bust in the 2009 1st round however. Pick was criticized at the time.

2010: Jack Campbell (10th)
-Bust. So much talent, so little confidence. At least Dallas acquired by trade the best player from that draft. Probably shouldn't have been picked this early.

2011: Jamie Oleksiak (14th)
-Bottom pairing defensemen, couldn't stay in the lineup in Dallas. Traded away for basically nothing. Some criticized his selection at the time.

2012: Radek Faksa (13th)
-The best player so far in my mind. He's very good defensively, and in my mind one of the leagues best checking line centres. Likely maxes out as a 40 point player, though.

2013: Valeri Nichuskin (10th) and Jason Dickinson (29th)
-Jury is still out on both, Nichuskin was wildly inconsistent in the NHL and has had similar issues in the KHL. Maybe will one day make a return, hopefully a coach who knows how to handle him. Dickinson hasn't been able to make an impression at the NHL level, but there is still time.

2014: Julius Honka (14th)
-Hasn't been able to stick in the NHL yet, but still looks promising.

2015: Denis Guryanov (12th)
-Inconsistent, hasn't impressed much at the pro level but is still very young and shouldn't be given up on. Has a long way to go. Some thought he was taken too early.

2016: Riley Tufte (24th)
-Not putting up first round quality numbers in the NCAA. Not sure he can be anything more than a grinder.

2017: Miro Heiskanen (3rd)
-Looks like a stud and future star now, but it's hard to miss at 3rd overall and it's still very early.

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That's only two NHL regulars, one of whom wasn't good until he left Dallas. And neither of them are star players. Of the guys who are too soon to tell, a few of them have serious questions and only one of them seems a sureshot to be a NHL regular. If we extend this back to 2000, it doesn't really get any better. You add one NHL regular (Steve Ott from 2000), and add two more busts (Jason Bacashihua and Martin Vagner) and one scrub NHLer (Mark Fistric).

I don’t think Honka is looking like a very promising pick. Larkin taken right after is ouch.
Guryanov is also bad for 12th. Could have had Barzal, Connor or Boeser, or at least traded down and still gotten him or a similar level talent (Svechnikov for example).

 

[BaileyMacTavish]

2004 - 22 - Lukas Kaspar -
2005 - 8 -Devin Setoguchi - Wasn't bad, but petered off after his 65 point season
2006 - 16 - Ty Wishart -
2007 - 9 - Logan Couture - Very solid 2C. Mainstay in our top 6. Maybe a low end 1C
2008 - N/A
2009 - N/A
2010- 28 - Charlie Coyle - I guess top 6F? Traded this guy for Burns
2011 - N/A
2012- 17 -Tomas Hertl - Top 6 Forward, maybe top line after a while. Getting better as each season goes on. I ate crow
2013 - 18 - Mirco Mueller - . Traded to Devils for a 2nd.
2014 - 27 - Nikolay Goldobin - . Traded to Canucks for 4th + Hansen.
2015 - 9 - Timo Meier - Looking like a top 6 Forward so far. Impressive!
2016 - N/A
2017 - 19 - Josh Norris - TBD. Too early

A lot of our picks were mid to late firsts. So I can't say, but there are some picks that will always blow my mind. It's not horrible, but it's far from good.

4 out of 10 picks isn't that bad. But there are 6 other rounds for a reason! And I think we do better in rounds 2-7 than 1

 

[BinCookin]

There should be an easy way to quantify this.

Here is a good attempt.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/posts/139251913/

this is a very interesting point. But has an obvious flaw to it. All Defencemen, and Quality Defensive Forwards will be undervalued under a Points only rating system.

My idea of how to quantify it would be this:

Perform a "Redraft" for each year you are doing your analysis. (Based on BPA, not team needs, since that cant really be done in hindsight). this would allow you to see actual draft position vs "corrected" draft position.
But what value would this have as positions alone would be hard to quantitate.

I would propose using a "Draft pick value" chart (http://statsportsconsulting.com/main/wp-content/uploads/Schuckers_NHL_Draftchart.pdf) to determine a numerical value for
"actual draft position" vs numerical score for Redraft position.
the Difference in those 2 scores would provide a legitamate measurement of drafting talent.

Also It would be fun to actually do a "redraft" by year on HFBoards... only problem is it would take a long time to do if people had to pick players 1 at a time through polls.

 

[Devils090]

Devils had a brutal run

05-Bergfors(he became a piece for Kovy at least)
06-Corrente-awful
07-none
08-Tedenby-bust
09-Josefson-4th liner with zero scoring ability
10-none
11-Larsson-became Hall...thanks again Chia
12-Matteau-what a stupid pick this was
13-none
14-Quenneville-still not an NHL regular, he’s getting there at least
15-Zacha-finally starting to make an impact

 

[aemoreira1981]

Avalanche have to be up there... outside of top 3 picks it's bad. Lets take a look

2005: No 1st
2006: Chris Stewart(3/4th liner)
2007: Kevin Shattenkirk(Top 4 D)
2008: No 1st
2009: Matt Duchene
2010: Joey Hishon( played 13 NHL games, bust)
2011: Gabe Landeskog(Top 6 forward)
Duncan Siemens(AHL fodder, bust)
2012: No 1st
2013: Nathan Mackinnon(Top 6 center, but slight disappointment till this year)
2014: Connor Bleakley(Bust, 0 NHL games)
2015: Mikko Rantanen(Top 6 winger or top line winger)
2016: Tyson Jost(Too soon)
2017: Cale Makar(Too soon)

After careful consideration it's not as bad as I had thought, although a severe lack of 1sts for a team as bad as the Avs. Lots of high picks with easy decisions, but Rantanen and Shattenkirk stick out as good picks for where they were selected.

Can’t call Hishon a bust...after being drafted, while in juniors, he was scrambled by a Brayden McNabb elbow and never recovered.

 

[Zats Muccarello]

The most painful Rangers pick I've experienced post lockout has to be drafting McIlrath ahead of Tarasenko and Fowler. Such an awful decision.

 

[66871]

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[Mikeyg]

Ignoring the last few years, the Leafs draft record is horrible. 2011 they had two 1st, Tyler Biggs and Stu Percy. Schenn isn't an awful pick (was highly touted at the time), and they did well with Naz and Reilly. Between trading many of their 1sts and taking Gauthier, along with the others listed, they've had almost no production from their first rounders.

Marner
Nylander
Matthews
Reilly
Kadri
Lily (early)

How is Toronto even mentioned at all. Our entire core minus Andersen was drafted....... Those marner and nylander picks were insanely difficult, as was mo. Leafs have done better than most.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Until Shero took over from Lamoriello and with Castron taking over for Conte.

I would say The NJ Devils. Many of their 1sts have been certifiable busts.

 

[Volica]

Calgary had some really ugly drafting in the first round until pretty recently.
It helps having Monahan, Tkachuk, Bennett, Backlund and Jankowski to shoulder that burden, but there are some names... Chucko, Pelech, Irving, Nemisz, Erixon.

Bartschi carved out a nice little career for himself.

 

[Hansen]

Honestly quite surprised the Canucks only got mentioned once here lol.

2005 - Luc Bourdon - RIP bro :/
2006 - Michael Grabner - Gone
2007 - Patrick White - lol
2008 - Cody Hodgson - lol
2009 - Jordan Schroeder - lol
2011 - Nicklas Jensen lol
2012 - Brendan Gaunce - lol
2013 - Bo Horvat -
2014 - Jake Virtanen - lol
2015 - Brock Boeser -
2016 - Olli Juolevi - lol
2017 - Elias Petterson - ​

Forgetting Hunter Shinkaruk and Jared McCann from 2013 and 2014 here.

 

[NJ DevLolz]

Until Shero took over from Lamoriello and with Castron taking over for Conte.

I would say The NJ Devils. Many of their 1sts have been certifiable busts.

I mean, drafting is very difficult when you're doing it in the 20s consistently:

05- 23rd OA Bergfors (main trade piece in bringing in Kovalchuk)

06- 30th OA Matt Corrente

07- No 1st rounder

08- 24th OA Mattias Tedenby

09- 20th OA Jacob Josefson

10- No 1st rounder

11- 4th OA Adam Larsson (oh, hello Taylor ******* Hall)

12- 29th OA Stefan Matteau

13- Traded pick for Cory Schneider

14- 30th OA John Quenneville

15- 6th OA Pavel Zacha

16- 12th OA Michael McLeod

17- 1st OA Nico Hischier- they deserve a ton of credit for this seemingly 50/50 pick.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

I mean, drafting is very difficult when you're doing it in the 20s consistently:

05- 23rd OA Bergfors (main trade piece in bringing in Kovalchuk)

06- 30th OA Matt Corrente

07- No 1st rounder

08- 24th OA Mattias Tedenby

09- 20th OA Jacob Josefson

10- No 1st rounder

11- 4th OA Adam Larsson (oh, hello Taylor ******* Hall)

12- 29th OA Stefan Matteau

13- Traded pick for Cory Schneider

14- 30th OA John Quenneville

15- 6th OA Pavel Zacha

16- 12th OA Michael McLeod

17- 1st OA Nico Hischier- they deserve a ton of credit for this seemingly 50/50 pick.

Castron did well with Hischier, Agree on that. No telling who Conte would have taken?

 

[SeidoN]

Castron did well with Hischier, Agree on that. No telling who Conte would have taken?

absolutely zero doubt in my mind Conte would have taken Patrick

 

[The Winter Soldier]

absolutely zero doubt in my mind Conte would have taken Patrick

I like Patrick, but I think you are correct. Sort of like the Zacha pick in 2015. Hischier was the right pick at this moment. Castron is a guy I respect a lot as a scout. Unbelievable job he and Shero have done since they took over from Lou and Conte.

 

[lifelonghockeyfan]

If Leafs hadn't traded for Kessel, and kept the two # 1 picks, would Brian " The Brain Burke" selected Sequin and Doug Hamilton? And even if had drafted them, would the Leafs screwed up their careers.

 

[Lays]

came here to say Dallas. Edmonton has been pretty brutal as well aside from the obvious choices at 1st overall which they also somehow screwed up.