Worst Drafting Teams (in 1st Round) Since the Lockout

[The Nuge]

Edmonton deserves mention. they've got 2 players not drafted near the top in khaira and klefbom thatvhave really made it as an NHL player and neither are very good. and half of their top picks have failed miserably too.

Since 2005, the Oilers have

2005 - Cogliano - Middle 6 winger
2007 - Gagner - 2nd line center
- Plante - Bust
- Nash - 4th line Center
2008 - Eberle - Top 6 winter
2009 - Paajarvi - 4th line winger
2010 - Hall - Top line winger
2011 - Nugent-Hopkins - Top 6 center
- Klefbom - Top 4 dman
2012 - Yakupov - Bottom 6 winger
2013 - Nurse - Top 4 dman
2014 - Draisaitl - Top line center
2015 - McDavid - Top line center
2016 - Puljujarvi - middle 6 winger with huge upside
2017 - Yamamoto - Lead his draft class in scoring and played the 3rd most NHL games in his D+1 year, despite being the 22nd pick.

They have one non NHLer, and a LOT of good talent. How exactly is that worse than Dallas?

 

[Maplebeasts]

Islanders surely are a contender. Some good picks but lots of disappointments drafted high too.

 

[joe dirte]

Since 2005, the Oilers have

2005 - Cogliano - Middle 6 winger
2007 - Gagner - 2nd line center
- Plante - Bust
- Nash - 4th line Center
2008 - Eberle - Top 6 winter
2009 - Paajarvi - 4th line winger
2010 - Hall - Top line winger
2011 - Nugent-Hopkins - Top 6 center
- Klefbom - Top 4 dman
2012 - Yakupov - Bottom 6 winger
2013 - Nurse - Top 4 dman
2014 - Draisaitl - Top line center
2015 - McDavid - Top line center
2016 - Puljujarvi - middle 6 winger with huge upside
2017 - Yamamoto - Lead his draft class in scoring and played the 3rd most NHL games in his D+1 year, despite being the 22nd pick.

They have one non NHLer, and a LOT of good talent. How exactly is that worse than Dallas?

again, outside of first overalls picks (half ofbehich are massive disappointments) that's a whole lot nothing. easily replaceable plugs like Sam gagner and cogliano who are third line at Best on a good team, and klefbom and nurse, also bottom pairing on a good team, do not signify good drafting.

puljujarvi is underwhelming for draft spot already and even talking about yamamoto is just silly.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

again, outside of first overalls picks (half ofbehich are massive disappointments) that's a whole lot nothing. easily replaceable plugs like Sam gagner and cogliano who are third line at Best on a good team, and klefbom and nurse, also bottom pairing on a good team, do not signify good drafting.

puljujarvi is underwhelming for draft spot already and even talking about yamamoto is just silly.

It’s actual NHL players that are produced, but your bias against the Oilers is showing once again.

 

[joe dirte]

It’s actual NHL players that are produced, but your bias against the Oilers is showing once again.

okay. I'll concede that the oilers have taken lots of high draft picks and turned them into depth plugs.

if that's your idea of draft success all the power to you.

 

[The Nuge]

again, outside of first overalls picks (half ofbehich are massive disappointments) that's a whole lot nothing. easily replaceable plugs like Sam gagner and cogliano who are third line at Best on a good team, and klefbom and nurse, also bottom pairing on a good team, do not signify good drafting.

puljujarvi is underwhelming for draft spot already and even talking about yamamoto is just silly.

If you can look at Klefbom playing as the #1 dman on a 100+ point team last year, and putting up 38 points, and think “that’s a bottom pairing dman”, then I don’t know what to tell you. Same with the way Nurse is beasting this year. Your assessment is just wrong, and getting players like Gagner and Cogliano sure beats getting Glennie and Campbell.

 

[joe dirte]

If you can look at Klefbom playing as the #1 dman on a 100+ point team last year, and putting up 38 points, and think “that’s a bottom pairing dman”, then I don’t know what to tell you. Same with the way Nurse is beasting this year. Your assessment is just wrong, and getting players like Gagner and Cogliano sure beats getting Glennie and Campbell.

if can look at a team with Connor mcdavid that still manages to be utter trash and think players are "beasting" then I don't know what to say to you.

 

[The Nuge]

if can look at a team with Connor mcdavid that still manages to be utter trash and think players are "beasting" then I don't know what to say to you.

So now your only argument is is that no player can be good on a bad team. So what you’re saying is that McDavid is terrible. That’s a mighty hard stance to defend.

 

[hatterson]

It'd be interesting to look at it in terms of draft position vs redraft position.

Come up with a fairly consensus redraft for each year and rank teams based on how well they performed.

If they picked 5th, did the get the 4-6th best player in the draft or did they end up with the 15th best player?

 

[pezcore]

Habs:

2005: Carey Price
2006: David Fischer
2007: Ryan McDonagh & Max Pacioretty
2008: none
2009:: Louis Leblanc
2010: Jarred Tinordi
2011: Nathan Beaulieu
2012: Alex Galchenyuk
2013: Michael McCaron
2014: Nikita Scherbak
2015: Noah Juulsen
2016: Mikhail Sergachev
2017: Ryan Poehling

A few busts indeed but whoever said we were the worst I think youre wrong. Problem was trading some of our better picks

 

[joe dirte]

So now your only argument is is that no player can be good on a bad team. So what you’re saying is that McDavid is terrible. That’s a mighty hard stance to defend.

what exactly do you have to suggest these guys are good dmen right now?

 

[Montecristo]

The bruins might not be there strictly talking the players, but as far as impact on the bruins, it’s not that good

2005- Matt lashoff 22nd overall, Never stuck as an nhler, was traded a few years after draft
2006- Phil kessel, 5th overall-he worked out while he was here but wasnt paid so he was traded for 2 first rounders, probably the best 1st round pick of that decade for Boston though,
2007- Zach hamil- 8th overall, bust, big time bust out of a top 10 player
2008. Joe colborne, 16th overall, bust, 4th liner but it took like 10 years for him to get there which was way past the bruins patience and the team he was traded tos patience
2009 Jordan Caron 25th overall, bust, way too slow, he had a good 3 game stretch at one point but a good 3 games doesn’t save the bust label
2010, seguin 2nd overall- he’s great but was traded before he really turned into a dominant guy
2011, Hamilton 9th overall, he’s great but was traded before he turned into a big time player,
2012, subban 24th overall, he’s been good in Vegas but he was waived before he ever played in Boston regularly (he was horrible in his 2 games for Boston)
2013- none
2014- pastrnak, 25th he’s great and he should stick around and stay great for Boston. I’d say that’s win #3 for Boston (I’ll give half credit for Hamilton/seguin) although tbh there wasn’t much scouting needed for either of those guys, clearly were bpa in both cases
2015- zboril, debrusk, senyshyn. 13,14,15. Zboril jury still out, still hopeful he’ll be a top 4 guy, debrusk is solid still could be better but top 6. Senyshyn looking not so good. Still young though. I’ll go another 1.5 guys out of those 3
2016- mcavoy, stud
2017, vaakananien, too early to tell. N/a

So that’s 5.5 hits out of 13 picks. Not great

 

[joe dirte]

It'd be interesting to look at it in terms of draft position vs redraft position.

Come up with a fairly consensus redraft for each year and rank teams based on how well they performed.

If they picked 5th, did the get the 4-6th best player in the draft or did they end up with the 15th best player?

pretty much. it would put how well they've done relative to their position in perspective well.

 

[DaveG]

Canes absolutely have to be up near the top (and by top I mean close to the worst) for this at least until the change in draft philosophies -

2005 - Jack Johnson - refused to play a single game for Carolina, disappointment as a player but bust as a Canes pick
2006 - no first - Jamie McBain in the 2nd - #7dman/AHL fodder
2007 - Brandon Sutter - 3rd liner
2008 - Zach Boychuk - bust
2009 - Philippe Paradis - LMAO level bust
2010 - Jeff Skinner - legit good pick
2011 - Ryan Murphy - bust (injuries)
2012 - no first (could have had Trouba or Forsberg at #8 but was traded at the draft) PDG (meh) and Brock McGinn (looking good so far) in the 2nd
2013 - Elias Lindholm - top 6 player but a tad disappointing, could have had Monahan
2014 - Haydn Fleury - top 6 dman but could have had Ehlers or Nylander
2015 - Noah Hanifin - solid pick, no complaints
2016 - Jake Bean (too early to tell, but could have had McAvoy with the next pick), Julien Gauthier (too early to tell)
2017 - Martin Necas

 

[BinCookin]

It'd be interesting to look at it in terms of draft position vs redraft position.

Come up with a fairly consensus redraft for each year and rank teams based on how well they performed.

If they picked 5th, did the get the 4-6th best player in the draft or did they end up with the 15th best player?

Very good point.

I was going to add Draft position matter's alot.
I saw Detroit mentioned above and thought "man there is a pretty big difference between drafting a "bust" at #7 vs #25

2005 - 19th - J. Kindl (Never became better than a #5-6 D man)
2006 - No pick
2007 - 27th - B. Smith (Never became better than a #4-6 D man)
2008 - 30th - tom McCollum (G) (Bust)
2009 - No pick
2010 - 21st - R. Sheahan (Never better than a #3 C)
2011 - No Pick
2012 - No pick
2013 - 20th - A. Mantha (first 20 goal season this year, looks to be a top 6 forward)
2014 - 15th - D. Larkin (Having a good season, seems a lock to be a top 6 forward)
2015 - 19th - E. Svechnikov (Has shown promise, and some dissappointment, still tbd)
2016 - 20th - D. Cholowski (tbd)
2017 - 9th - M. Rasmussen (First pick in 25+ years in top 10, tbd)

Since 2013 we have been drafting well.
Also 19th-30th picks is not really that great a position to find stars!

 

[Judas Tavares]

Dallas would be my pick as well. Though New Jersey will give them a run for their money if Zacha and McLeod don't pan out.

 

[BinCookin]

Canes absolutely have to be up near the top (and by top I mean close to the worst) for this at least until the change in draft philosophies -

....(could have had Trouba or Forsberg at #8 but was traded at the draft)
....could have had Monahan
....could have had Ehlers or Nylander
....could have had McAvoy with the next pick

I dont think this is a good reason to harsh on your picks.... everyone can do this.

 

[DaveG]

I dont think this is a good reason to harsh on your picks.... everyone can do this.

Oh no doubt, but those are some of the picks I'm surprisingly still optimistic about (Lindholm, Fleury, Bean). The others from before then were all massive bust level aside from Sutter and Skinner.

 

[davemess]

9 picks over the 13 year period for the Penguins. Pretty much a horror show (Maatta excluded) after the first two years (only top 5 picks). Average draft position of that later group is #20.

2005 - Sidney Crosby
2006 - Jordan Staal
2007 - no pick
2008 - Angelo Esposito
2009 - Simon Despres
2010 - Beau Bennett
2011 - Joe Morrow
2012 - Derrick Pouliot & Olli Maatta
2013 - no pick
2014 - Kasperi Kapanen
2015 - no pick
2016 - no pick
2017 - no pick

 

[schnapshot]

It’s easily Montreal, the only good players they drafted in the first round is Patch,McD, and Serg but they don’t even have the last two players I mentioned.

Galchenyuk?

They also haven’t picked very high on average and jury is still out on Scherbak, Juulsen and Poehling. The fact McD and Serg were traded doesn’t concern our drafting.

It ls bottom 10 in the league but not the worst.

 

[McShogun99]

Homer vote for Edmonton. Four 1st overalls with one being the biggest bust in NHL history and the other being an average 3nd line center.

Good picks for their position:
Eberle
Hall
Klefbom
Nurse
Draisaitl
Mcdavid

Bad picks for their position:
Gagner
MPS
RNH
Yakupov

It’s still to early to judge JP and Yamamoto.

For a team that has had this many high picks it should be a contender every year.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Since 2005, the Oilers have

2005 - Cogliano - Middle 6 winger
2007 - Gagner - 2nd line center
- Plante - Bust
- Nash - 4th line Center
2008 - Eberle - Top 6 winter
2009 - Paajarvi - 4th line winger
2010 - Hall - Top line winger
2011 - Nugent-Hopkins - Top 6 center
- Klefbom - Top 4 dman
2012 - Yakupov - Bottom 6 winger
2013 - Nurse - Top 4 dman
2014 - Draisaitl - Top line center
2015 - McDavid - Top line center
2016 - Puljujarvi - middle 6 winger with huge upside
2017 - Yamamoto - Lead his draft class in scoring and played the 3rd most NHL games in his D+1 year, despite being the 22nd pick.

They have one non NHLer, and a LOT of good talent. How exactly is that worse than Dallas?

In comparison to their draft position this is not a great list at all.

 

[kidkosher]

Nj:

2005: Bergfors- sent out in kovy trade, played less than 200 games
2006: Corrente- 34 GP
2007: none
2008: Tedenby- less than 200 games played
2009: Josefson- over 300 gp! but 64 pts as a center.
2010: none
2011: Larsson! A good one! Earned us a Hall!
2012: Matteau- 61 gp and 7 pts.
2013: none
2014: Quenneville. 14 gp, 4 pts. Far from a lost cause with this guy.
2015: Zacha. No complaints here besides players picked after him, but too early to be evidence against
2016: Mcleod. give it time.
2017: Hischier- nice


Outside of the past 3 years this is an AWFUL track record.

 

[garnetpalmetto]

Canes absolutely have to be up near the top (and by top I mean close to the worst) for this at least until the change in draft philosophies -

2005 - Jack Johnson - refused to play a single game for Carolina, disappointment as a player but bust as a Canes pick
2006 - no first - Jamie McBain in the 2nd - #7dman/AHL fodder
2007 - Brandon Sutter - 3rd liner
2008 - Zach Boychuk - bust
2009 - Philippe Paradis - LMAO level bust
2010 - Jeff Skinner - legit good pick
2011 - Ryan Murphy - bust (injuries)
2012 - no first (could have had Trouba or Forsberg at #8 but was traded at the draft) PDG (meh) and Brock McGinn (looking good so far) in the 2nd
2013 - Elias Lindholm - top 6 player but a tad disappointing, could have had Monahan
2014 - Haydn Fleury - top 6 dman but could have had Ehlers or Nylander
2015 - Noah Hanifin - solid pick, no complaints
2016 - Jake Bean (too early to tell, but could have had McAvoy with the next pick), Julien Gauthier (too early to tell)
2017 - Martin Necas

The Paradis pick never ceases to amaze me. A little over 5 months after he's drafted he's traded to Toronto for Jiri Tlusty - it worked out in the end, but considering Paradis never played a single game in the NHL for us, Toronto, Chicago, or Tampa Bay and at this point in his career is in the LNAH, I *have* to wonder what Rutherford was thinking when he made that pick. For somebody who gets so much love lately he made some absolute headscratchers in Raleigh. "Ryan O'Reilly? Robin Lehner? Pass. How about this Paradis kid?"

 

[Tripod]

Not Philly, especially where some of the picks were taken at:

Downie #29
Giroux #22
JVR #2
Sbisa #19 Luckily traded in deal for Pronger
Couturier #8
Laughton #20
Morin #11
Sanheim #17
Provy #7, Konecny #24
Rubstov#22
Patrick #2, Frost #27

No busts, still lots of guys BPA on where they end up in regards to upside.