Wondering about Hainsey?

[PredsHabs]

Is he a good player and what type of defenseman is he?

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[sipowicz]

Is he a good player and what type of defenseman is he?

Hainsey is a barely adequate D man, 5-6 D man, spent a lot of time screening his own goalie and redirecting pucks into his own net, later in the season he thought he should play goalie and spent a lot of time on his knees just outside the crease, really doesn't accomplish much.

The sooner he is out of a Jets uniform the better!

 

[CorgisPer60]

Don't expect him to score goals, drive any plays, or spend time on the PP. He's a shutdown defensive D who can be physical, but will mostly patrol infront of the net to try and block shots. He's good enough at it for a 2nd pair, but he needs to play with a strong 5v5 partner. I'd welcome him back on the Jets roster, but he's an offensive black hole.

Edit: Also, Sipowicz has probably the most negative view of Hainsey and Pavelec. Don't discount what he says, but don't treat it as gospel, either.

 

[wpgsilver]

I like Hainsey, and would welcome him back on the Jets.
He's a premier shot blocker that will play his role. He's not an offensive player by any means, but hes a decent and is mostly reliable. He will make boneheaded plays occasionally, but it seems every Jet d-man did that.
He did have some bad luck where pucks deflected off him and in but I don't hold that against him. When you block as many shots as he does, occasionally you wont get all of a puck and bad things will happen.
Hainsey is a legit 4th defenceman in my book. On some of the deeper teams he'd be a 5, but those teams are fortunate.

 

[almostawake]

He is an good #4 overall. In almost every sense he is average. He has decent size and is a decent skater. His puck skills are nothing to rave about, but are a clear level above defence-only guys like Regehr, Zanon, etc. He doesn't see the game especially well and occasionally serves up a bad turnover or loses his guy. He is pretty useful on the PK and is reasonably useful on the PP if a team's options are poor.

He is a #4, and I'd say that the key to keeping him effective is keeping his average TOI to around 21 minutes a night, and don't expect him to carry a shutdown pairing.

Last season with all the Jets' injuries Hainsey ended up 31st among defencemen league wide in total TOI. That just isn't acceptable and any team that ends up with him in that position is going to regret it.

But in the right role with the right partner a team can get a lot of mileage out of him on the 2nd pairing.

 

[garret9]

Average is the word.

He takes friggin tough minutes and finishes with league average results for reducing scoring chances and shots against.
His offensive production is average, which is impressive since he doesn't have a goal to his name with 109 shots on net over the last two seasons.
His strength is in defensive zone positioning and gap control. He is very vocal on and off the ice, which is major factor to Jets haven't witnessed the running-around-like-a-chicken-with-his-head-cut-off Bogosian (that and Huddy).
He pushes the play forward fine, but does a lot better when paired with a PMD (like Bogosian or Oduya) than a non-puck mover (like Stuart).
He probably would be best utilized as a #4 on a team that gives a bit of a tougher assignment to the 1st pair. One of the Jets best PK defensemen and is decent on the PP(except with shooting) but doesn't get time on the PP since the Jets have better options in Enstrom, Byfuglien, Bogosian, Clitsome and Postma.



For those who like looking at underlying numbers:

Usage:
He arguably was in top 10-20 region for difficulty in job. He's regularly matchuped against top6 players and he predominately is used as a defensive zone specialist with starting a majority of the Jets d-zone faceoffs. That works against him for fan perspective since he has a tougher workload and his errors are ultra-magnified being in the d-zone all the time against guys like Crosby, Stamkos, E.Staal, etc.

Offensively:
His 5v5 offensive numbers average out to him being a #4 offensively on most teams. He'd probably be #3 offensively if given cushier minutes and maybe a bit more puck luck than a 0% sh%.

Defensively:
He's still one of the better Jets and players here although there are a lot who disagree. He is usually not far behind Enstrom for reducing other teams shots and chances against.

 

[HannuJ]

chews lots of minutes.
jack of all trades, master of none.

not quite the Nickelback of hockey, but you get the idea.

 

[SCP Guy]

When He scores goals they come in 6's

 

[KingBogo]

I'd put him somewhere in between the worst and best reviews. As others have said don't expect a lick of offense from him, but he is defensively sound and blocks more than his fair share of shots. On a strong team could be a great bottom pairing guy. On a weaker team can step into the #4 role and give you 20+ minutes. He is as vanilla as can be and a lot of the knocks on him was because of an inflated salary that he couldn't perform up to.

 

[jamiebez]

chews lots of minutes.
jack of all trades, master of none.

not quite the Nickelback of hockey, but you get the idea.

This.

Jason York (on the radio here in Ottawa) always refers to Jay Bouwmeester as a "minute muncher". Not as a compliment: more like a designation for a guy who doesn't really accomplish all that much despite playing a lot of minutes. That's Hainsey. Not even as good as Bouwmeester - just a guy taking up space.

 

[PredsHabs]

I know my predators are stacked on Defense but I would not mind adding one more piece such as Hainsey or trading for Smid from Edmonton.

 

[irunthepeg]

I know my predators are stacked on Defense but I would not mind adding one more piece such as Hainsey or trading for Smid from Edmonton.

I'd suggest not overusing him but maybe taking a few minutes off the big dogs.

 

[Duke749]

Average is the word.

He takes friggin tough minutes and finishes with league average results for reducing scoring chances and shots against.
His offensive production is average, which is impressive since he doesn't have a goal to his name with 109 shots on net over the last two seasons.
His strength is in defensive zone positioning and gap control. He is very vocal on and off the ice, which is major factor to Jets haven't witnessed the running-around-like-a-chicken-with-his-head-cut-off Bogosian (that and Huddy).
He pushes the play forward fine, but does a lot better when paired with a PMD (like Bogosian or Oduya) than a non-puck mover (like Stuart).
He probably would be best utilized as a #4 on a team that gives a bit of a tougher assignment to the 1st pair. One of the Jets best PK defensemen and is decent on the PP but doesn't get time on the PP (except with shooting) since the Jets have better options in Enstrom, Byfuglien, Bogosian, Clitsome and Postma.



For those who like looking at underlying numbers:

Usage:
He arguably was in top 10-20 region for difficulty in job. He's regularly matchuped against top6 players and he predominately is used as a defensive zone specialist with starting a majority of the Jets d-zone faceoffs. That works against him for fan perspective since he has a tougher workload and his errors are ultra-magnified being in the d-zone all the time against guys like Crosby, Stamkos, E.Staal, etc.

Offensively:
His 5v5 offensive numbers average out to him being a #4 offensively on most teams. He'd probably be #3 offensively if given cushier minutes and maybe a bit more puck luck than a 0% sh%.

Defensively:
He's still one of the better Jets and players here although there are a lot who disagree. He is usually not far behind Enstrom for reducing other teams shots and chances against.

When He scores goals they come in 6's

These two posts sum things up great and very accurately.

 

[Lynk]

He's ****.

 

[Mungman]

These two posts sum things up great and very accurately.

EDIT TO ADD:

I always found Hainsey VERY frustrating to watch, you can see SOME talent there, but there he'd be behind the goalie trying to block a puck.....

The two most frustrating players last year to watch were Hainsey on D and Bumi on forward, hopefully they don't try and refill those roles next season.

 

[sully1410]

Ideally he's a five...but he's a pretty good 4 as well. He can also slot upwards in the lineup with success.

 

[hockeyarena]

I think Hainsey is bad to the point that he will live in infamy for years to come. After the Jets are a contender we will look back and say, "remember when the Jets were terrible? Remember that Hainsey guy!?"

 

[Shakey Rustie]

I think Hainsey is bad to the point that he will live in infamy for years to come. After the Jets are a contender we will look back and say, "remember when the Jets were terrible? Remember that Hainsey guy!?"

So he's the Igor Ulanov of the Jets 2.0

 

[han316]

Hainsey is a good 4 and great 5th.

People like to complain about him cause people like to complain. I'm sure if he does what Oduya did and actually plays on a team with good forwards he will look a heck of a lot better.

 

[allan5oh]

My take:

- Offensively challenged but he was paid off as a offensive D-man at his last UFA status - check his stats
- Doesn't seem to have a lot of offensive luck
- Can no longer "one-time" the puck, it's now a two-timer and not very good
- Pretty good at breakouts as long as the other d-man can move it decent
- Blocks a lot of shots
- Is a role player and needs to be used as such, no point in playing him against scrubs
- Would thrive under a coach like Carlyle who is aggressive with line matches
- Good guy to pair up with a young learning d-man
- You can hear him yell "Wheel! Wheel!" throughout the entire arena
- Shouldn't be higher than #4 on any team, and should never be on a top pair
- He is the negotiator. Deal with it.

 

[fmrdh]

My take:

- Offensively challenged but he was paid off as a offensive D-man at his last UFA status - check his stats
- Doesn't seem to have a lot of offensive luck
- Can no longer "one-time" the puck, it's now a two-timer and not very good
- Pretty good at breakouts as long as the other d-man can move it decent
- Blocks a lot of shots
- Is a role player and needs to be used as such, no point in playing him against scrubs
- Would thrive under a coach like Carlyle who is aggressive with line matches
- Good guy to pair up with a young learning d-man
- You can hear him yell "Wheel! Wheel!" throughout the entire arena
- Shouldn't be higher than #4 on any team, and should never be on a top pair
- He is the negotiator. Deal with it.

Pretty much this. I think he's pretty good.

 

[pcanuck]

5/6 Dman at best. Given his age, he's slowing down. Gives away the puck often and doesn't hit or fight. Logs minutes tho. He's worth a one year deal at most but no more than $1.5M. He's so bad that the Jets with one of the worst D's in the NHL let him walk in FA.

 

[wpgsilver]

5/6 Dman at best. Given his age, he's slowing down. Gives away the puck often and doesn't hit or fight. Logs minutes tho. He's worth a one year deal at most but no more than $1.5M. He's so bad that the Jets with one of the worst D's in the NHL let him walk in FA.

You're nothing if not consistent.

 

[pcanuck]

You're nothing if not consistent.

I'm not going to sugar coat a Dman we should have put on waivers last year. Thank goodness he's gone. Our GA will be better due to subtraction.

Hopefully we'll trade the other defensive pylon 2x stuff Buff this year and give Trouba, Redmond, Postma more ice time. Our GA will again, get better with subtraction.

 

[King Woodballs]

I'm not going to sugar coat a Dman we should have put on waivers last year. Thank goodness he's gone. Our GA will be better due to subtraction.

Hopefully we'll trade the other defensive pylon 2x stuff Buff this year and give Trouba, Redmond, Postma more ice time. Our GA will again, get better with subtraction.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.