Logical fallacy. You don't think they wouldn't have used that $6.5M elsewhere? That was a stacked team. Maybe 2010 doesn't happen, but maybe another year happens instead. Briere wasn't so valuable that he would make or break their success.On my phone, I don't have the time...
But one quick question, and there's plenty... the 2009-10 Cup Finals run? Enjoy it? Without him we don't sniff the finals, maybe not even the playoffs.
Worst case scenario? I think you mean best case scenario. And there was no way we woulda got either of those players. I don't even know how you can link the Briere signing to us losing out on the chance at getting Doughty or Stamkos, wtf.
While his cap hit was pretty high, wasn't Briere signed the first year the cap came out...maybe it was the second, I don't know? GMs didn't fully understand it, no one could have fully understood how those contracts would pan out and how high/low the cap was going to rise/fall. But Briere brought a lot of positive **** to this franchise on and off the ice, I think it is safe to say that if we never had Briere, Giroux wouldn't have developed into the player that he is today. 100% I would do this deal over again.
Logical fallacy. You don't think they wouldn't have used that $6.5M elsewhere? That was a stacked team. Maybe 2010 doesn't happen, but maybe another year happens instead. Briere wasn't so valuable that he would make or break their success.
I never said that at all. I personally believe that team would have been too good to finish last. I'm just saying from the perspective of the Flyers front office (and most fans) the worst case was finishing last again, but it wouldn't have been so bad in the long run.
LOL @ crediting Giroux's development to Briere. I guess Couturier wouldn't be a top defensive forward in the league without Briere either.
Look at the 2010 team. Where else would you allocate that money? Give me a break.You're all acting as though all that cap space and salary wouldn't have gone somewhere else. It's not as though as if we didn't spend it on Briere it would be missing.
Look at the 2010 team. Where else would you allocate that money? Give me a break.
And don't you dare say goaltending. We would not have magically found a goalie had we not signed Briere.
Like I said already, I wasn't a major fan at the time of the Briere signing and I have a very bad memory. I can't say with confidence who they would have signed. I'm also not Nostradomus. However, in the several year time-span before that run I'm sure there would have been somewhere it could have been put to good use. Also, the cap space isn't isolated to our one Cup run year. If it were spent elsewhere there's nothing saying we couldn't have made a run another year.
Neither are you Nostradomus for that matter. There's nothing saying that 6.5 million dollars in free cap space could've been spent somewhere better elsewhere and we could have made another run just as good as that one or have actually won the Cup rather then just coming close. I'm not Nostradomus either so I can't say with certainty that that would have happened, but you can't say with certainty the inverse either.
However, it is a fact that in his six regular seasons with us he was injury filled for one of them and only did well, relative to his cap hit and salary, in two of the six and his career high in points with us is only 72 points. I don't know about you but I expect better then that for 6.5 mil cap hit on a long-term deal.
Please, just look at the 2010 lineup. It was a perfectly constructed team (on paper, at least). Where would you allocate Briere's salary on that team? The only hole on that team was in net, and that was an organizational decision to not pursue other options.
Your argument makes no sense. We literally could not have put that money to better use in 2010. That was our best chance to win the Cup, and Briere did not in any way inhibit our ability to fill our holes.
There was only a hole in net because of a freak disease/injury.
You're right I'm only focusing on one year. Because that one year deflates your entire premise.Three things:
1) You're fixating on that one single year out of the entire Briere contract, coincidentally the one single year we made an impressive run with him that fits your argument. It's not as if that was our only chance with him or with who would replace him.
We had a hole in net because 1) Emery went down with freaking avascular necrosis and 2) because management decided not to pursue other options at the deadline.2) You just admitted there was a hole in goal. Doesn't matter if it was an organizational decision to skip out in goal or not. Fact of the matter is part of the reason we didn't have strength is goal is because of cap space and Briere took up 6.5 million of it.
3) Fact of the matter is in multiple years of a 6.5 cap hit all we have to show thanks to for Briere is some good playoff performances, only one of which came anywhere close to a Cup. We never won a Cup with Briere and the fact of the matter is that in his entire duration here he took up a large chunk of cap space.
My god, a signing turns out to be a good one and well there was probably a better one. No one knows who, but they're sure there was.
You guys forget that we had the season we don't speak of? We were the worst team in the league that summer, we had no choice but to overpay for a FA. And the big fish that off season were Drury, Gomez, and Briere. Of the three, which one turned out to be the best from that FA summer??
Some people will never be happy. Oh well.
Don't see why this is an argument against him. He brought us closer to the Cup than we would have been without him. It's really that simple.
No. We're focusing on that year because it effectively blows a massive hole into the premise of your argument.You, like the other guy, are also solely focusing on one season of six because it conveniently fits your argument.
Seriously? Few things in the NHL are certain, but I can tell you for a fact that Briere's 30 point performance was the largest reason that we made it that far. Without him, we don't sniff the SCF. Tell me what would have been better had we not had Briere.Two things.
1) How in the hell could you possibly know that?
2) Coming close isn't the same as winning it.
I'm sure there were options out there that we couldn't get because we had almost 7 mil locked up in Briere long-term. You can't deny that.
No. We're focusing on that year because it effectively blows a massive hole into the premise of your argument.
Seriously? Few things in the NHL are certain, but I can tell you for a fact that Briere's 30 point performance was the largest reason that we made it that far. Without him, we don't sniff the SCF. Tell me what would have been better had we not had Briere.
Who would we have been able to pursue that we weren't able to pursue? Can you think of anyone? I know your memory is bad, so I'll help you out. No one. We still pursued each and every player we would have liked to pursue.
Oh, god. Not this. To win the Cup, you need a whole lot of luck. This "Cup or FAILURE!!!" mentality is just so devoid of logic.
No. We're focusing on that year because it effectively blows a
Oh, god. Not this. To win the Cup, you need a whole lot of luck. This "Cup or FAILURE!!!" mentality is just so devoid of logic.
You're sure?? How sure? So sure ok then name me one. Just one player we couldn't get because of Danny Briere's contract. I'll hang up and listen.
You're sure?? How sure? So sure ok then name me one. Just one player we couldn't get because of Danny Briere's contract. I'll hang up and listen.
Now I'm not sure if this player would have signed here, and I hate giving this guy anything to add to his argument because I 100% disagree with him, but Marian Hossa was a UFA in 2008 and 2009...