Post-Game Talk: WIN!! - Game 3 - Nashville Predators (C1) at Dallas Stars (WC1) - NSH Up 2-1

[braindead]

Appendix for Boyle and lower body (knee presumably) for Simmonds.

Hopefully speed is better than size!!

 

[Drake744]

Appendix for Boyle and lower body (knee presumably) for Simmonds.

Hopefully speed is better than size!!

Sucks for on ice reasons but my mind went somewhere bad when I heard Boyle was out indefinitely due to illness

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Simmonds has some size and strength and I don't think ALL of his goals come on PP net front presence. He gets some in a few other ways too. Or used to - and that's the problem "used to". 1 goal in 19 games with us so far is not going to cut it no matter what his role is. If he was a 4th line grinder (and sometimes they've used him that way), he better be doing some pretty incredible defensive work or penalty killing or something to only be scoring at a rate that would be 4 goals in a whole season.

I could live with him as a gritty bottom-6 forward if he was adding physicality, character, and able to chip in at something like a 10 goal pace. With an option to go back to the PP net front presence if we need him (like now when Boyle is sick). That'd be enough to keep him in the lineup anyway. Problem now is he isn't ticking enough boxes anywhere on the ice or in any area of the game to even necessarily stay in the lineup. I didn't expect that from the trade.

That's the trade deadline for you though. On paper it looked pretty nice to add Boyle, Granlund, and Simmonds to the lineup. Even a diminished Simmonds. But it hasn't made much of a difference... yet anyway. Sometimes it's just too hard for the new guys to settle in and find the combinations and groove that they need to succeed in a short timeframe.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

According to Vingan, Salomaki will be in. I worry a bit about him since he hasn't played an NHL games in months.

If it was the early days Salomaki it would be ok - I could see him getting in on the forecheck and harassing their D at times in his bits of icetime. Now it just seems like he must be so broken that it's hard to expect much. But Gaudreau, or even putting Irwin or Weber up front - it's not like I'd have any better ideas.

 

[TitansVolsPreds615]

Could it be Tolvanen time?

 

[predwings]

Boyle will need 2 weeks appendectomy is what is being rumored for him. 2 weeks until you can do strenuous activity. We need Boyle back something bad he helped the PP and net front presence

 

[King Weber]

I want the bull in a china shop hitting everything that moves agitator Salomaki that was a thorn in the side of Corey Perry in the '15-16 playoffs. Sadly we've only seen that a few times out of him since.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

I hope Poile never makes a "buying" deadline trade again. Good grief (still love Boyle!).

 

[TitansVolsPreds615]

I hope Poile never makes a "buying" deadline trade again. Good grief (still love Boyle!).

We say this every year and then clamor for it every trade deadline.

 

[NoNecksCurse]

We say this every year and then clamor for it every trade deadline.

a lot of us this year surprisingly said no to deadline pickups.

us going to the finals with fiddler being the deadline trade combined with poile's horrid track record of deadline deals should make it pretty clear going forward.

we did however keep our first and top prospects so i am not too upset over any of the moves.

granlund for fiala is going to be the one that could really make poile lose some sleep. and it wasn't a "deadline" move really since they both have term.

 

[PredsV82]

I hope Poile never makes a "buying" deadline trade again. Good grief (still love Boyle!).

We didnt trade our 1st, Tolvanen or Fabbro.

It wanst too bad. Granlund producing preferably now and especially next year will be the key to whether this is looked back on as a successful TDL

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Even with the deadline pickups going about as badly as could ever have been imagined, I can't fault Poile for making any of them. For what we gave up, they seemed like good moves. Moves you pretty much had to make given the availability. I wouldn't say no to deadline moves in the future just because these ones haven't turned out as hoped.

If we win a round and bump the pick on the Simmonds deal up to a 3rd - with absolutely no contribution whatsoever from Simmonds - that'll be kind of funny I suppose. :s

 

[101st_fan]

Boyle ended up with appendicitis ... it's not like he's benched for sucking. If the team can get past the Stars, Boyle comes back and continues to contribute.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Could it be Tolvanen time?

I don't think so. There is some tough play out there... somebody to forecheck and get on their D for 8 or 9 minutes on the 4th line is really all we need at this point. If Salomaki can channel his past kamikaze style at all, that'd be great - I just don't know if he has it left in him anymore.

 

[popa]

Adam Vingan tweeted Boyle had an "appendix procedure".

sorry, didn't see 101st's post above

 

[Jonesey]

I still contend we should have traded for Mark Stone.

Ugh.

 

[101st_fan]

I still contend we should have traded for Mark Stone.

Ugh.

Too bad the Senators got a say in that deal.

 

[bdub24]

I still view about 20% if the trade deadline moves Poile made was to wake the room up. Remember they asked him to keep the team intact and let them try another run. But they had been bouncing along at 500 hockey after a super hot start. Maybe he was trying to make some ok moves (not blockbusters, but not risking the farm) in order to bolster for the loss of Watson and the help needed on the PP, but I think giving the team a slap factored in as well.

 

[Legionnaire11]

Yeah, in hindsight i'd rather have Hartman than Simmonds. But if Hartman was a problem in the locker room (which none of us could ever know, same with Fiala) then it's an okay trade even if Simmonds walks, and right now I hope he does.

 

[Armourboy]

Simmonds wont be back, it's why I'm convinced Hartman was causing issues and Poile just wanted to move him.

 

[Predsanddead24]

Simmonds wont be back, it's why I'm convinced Hartman was causing issues and Poile just wanted to move him.

Wouldn't surprise me and I wouldn't really blame Hartman for being unhappy with his situation. He probably wanted to be getting 15 minutes or so a night, but by the end of his time here was only getting 10 minutes or so. He definitely didn't deserve more ice time,and for a player likely going into arbitration I can see why he would be upset about the lack of opportunity.

 

[TitansVolsPreds615]

I still contend we should have traded for Mark Stone.

Ugh.

You and everyone else in the fanbase.

 

[PredsV82]

I still contend we should have traded for Mark Stone.

Ugh.

I would bet a large bottle of adult beverage that Poile inquired and couldnt beat the offer they got from Vegas. The prospect defenseman they got was much more highly touted than Fabbro.

 

[Jonesey]

I would bet a large bottle of adult beverage that Poile inquired and couldnt beat the offer they got from Vegas. The prospect defenseman they got was much more highly touted than Fabbro.

I'd have offered Tolvanen, Fiala, and a 1st. We'll never know if that package was ever on the table but it would have been hard to turn down. Then again, Stone may not have wanted to sign an extension with us so that package would have been overpayment for a rental.

If only we had a fly on the wall for those conversations. Anyways, back to the game tonight!!

 

[predfan24]

I would bet a large bottle of adult beverage that Poile inquired and couldnt beat the offer they got from Vegas. The prospect defenseman they got was much more highly touted than Fabbro.

There's a reason Fenton said he was waiting for some chips to fall before completing the Fiala for Granny deal. Poile was in there until the last second. Dorian chose the Vegas package. There was a bunch of talk about Tolvanen around the deadline and how he wasn't viewed as favorably as some might think. I think it's pretty clear that was probably leaked from the OTT side of things. I'm not so sure Fabbro was ever included in those discussions unless Stone was willing to agree to an extension.

That's another huge hurdle. Did Stone want to play in Nashville long term? The most likely scenario is also the hardest to swallow. Stone wanted to be in Vegas and not Nashville or Winnipeg.