Will the MLS become one of the biggest leagues in the world in our lifetime?

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  1. chasespace

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    As for people complaining that the average American player isn't as good as the average European player, this is slowly changing. With the first true crop of players coming out of MLS academies hitting the fields it's shown that when you actually develop players properly they tend to be better.
     
  2. Rocko604

    Rocko604 Sports will break your heart.

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    How so? Not like it we were flourishing without it. It's because of MLS that our national men's team actually has a following in this country. That leads to more revenue which will lead to more resources over time. Not to mention it allows our younger players to develop in a profession academy setting, something that did not exist pre-MLS.
     
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    I'm not suggesting there hasn't been growth in the quality of the MLS or american youth development. But it's still so far behind the bigger powers (Spain, Germany, France, etc.); who also happen to be spending more on their youth infrastructure than the US, while growing in that area even faster. That's why that gap won't be closed gradually over time, it'll take the kind of drastic changes that were implemented in Germany after the 1998 WC & funded properly after the 2000 EC...only even bigger; as there's more ground to make up & a much bigger land mass to cover.

    That's why I see it as a catch 22. The US can keep growing & rivaling Mexico, but I don't see how it can ever make the break into the top tier without some extremely wealthy benefactor just setting up world class regional academies all by himself. Especially not with how poorly organized & coached youth soccer is in this country, and the obsession with winning instead of development throughout the youth system in the US.

    We are in full agreemant about the NCAA's negative impact.

    While a fair rib, participating in the CL/EL & having the kind of money that only chinese clubs can throw around doesn't hurt...not to mention the EPL still has a lot more domestic talent than the MLS, even if it doesn't compare to what's coming out of the biggest soccer powers.

    *shrug* the american players who have the talent to someday push for a spot on a major NT are still coming from european academies. Pulisic & Zelalem will play for the US NT, and could help lead your strongest generation yet, but they are the products of german & english academies, not MLS ones. Perhaps Miazga changes this, but I haven't seen enough of him to judge his talent yet.
     
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  4. chasespace

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    No argument about those players but the ones in the class behind them, the current u17's and lower, are being developed predominantly in MLS academies and they have shown to be incredibly talented.

    As you touched on as well, the size of the US is it's greatest problem. The population is so spread out that it's incredibly difficult to spot and develop young talent outside of areas that already have top tier academies. Nearly every youth league in the country offers soccer but probably only 5% have the resources and means to spot real talent and know how to help it grow.
     
  5. Alex Jones

    Alex Jones BIG BOWL 'A CHILI!!

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    MLS should follow the J league model. J league is the most improved league in the world over the last couple decades.
     
  6. varsaku

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    This shows there is a lot of potential for the league to grow. The new expansion teams that are joining are coming in with a lot of fans.
     
  7. Cucumber

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  8. SenorDingDong

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    Lots of folks under estimating MLS here.

    The league has grown significantly even in just the past 5 years.

    In 10 years it will be even better. There is more stability in the league financially, David Beckham is building his Miami FC expansion team. It's not plagued with the corruption and scandals of Europe.

    I don't know if it will ever become the #1 league, but I would bet in the next 10-15 years or so it will become a top 5 league.
     
  9. cgf

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    How much are you willing to bet on that?
     
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    Agreed. I've been hearing that football is going to become huge in the US and the US is going completely metric (you can't buy a gallon of gas or milk) since the 70s. The most popular sports in the US are the NFL, MLB, NCAA football, NASCAR, the NBA, and the NHL. Even the NHL is so relatively unpopular that the Alabama spring football intra-squad game where Alabama players play each other got higher ratings than the first round of the NHL playoffs. I'm a football fan who lived in London in the 70s and I watch the EPL, not the MLS. The MLS is just not going to become a huge deal in the US.
     
  11. varsaku

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    I bet no one years ago would have predicted that football would pass baseball to become American's passtime, yet here we are. With time people's interests change.
     
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    People's interests can change all they want, but the MLS won't be a top 5 league in the next 10-15 years. The investment they'd need to make in youth development is too massive, and even after those investments have been made, it will take a long time to kick in before the domestic talent is strong enough to support a top league. And then they'll have to somehow convince foreign talents to play in the MLS during their primes, which few top players or players from top nations will want to do.
     
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    Crew notebook: Local TV ratings show growth

     
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    No, not with the salary cap as low as it is. People say that Americans are getting better, yet they are still going overseas as they get more money. Just look at Matt Miazga and Bobby Wood. All American born talents, all chose to play overseas.
     
  16. theaub

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    Impossible to create a real Canadian league when the three biggest markets are in MLS and there's no realistic way a Canadian league team in those cities would ever draw the same level of player. MLS does nothing for Canadian soccer, right down to the import rule (which is a 'legal issue' but magically doesn't exist in lower divisions like PDL) that basically restrict any mid-tier Canadian players to playing for only the Canadian teams.
     
  17. Vasilevskiy

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    Yeah, this.
     
  18. varsaku

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    Almost our entire CMT u20 rosters is MTL, VAN and TFC academy products.
     
  19. Brock Anton

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    Uh, Miazga came up through the RBNY academy, earned a spot in the first team then got a move to Chelsea. That's how it's supposed to work (and I expect the more developed MLS academies become, the more likely we're going to see other prospects do similar).
     
  20. TheSituation

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    Uhhh, that's my point. Someone made a point of American being better trained. My point is that's not enough as they end up going to play in Europe. That does little to help the MLS.
     
  21. Big McLargehuge

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    As the league grows in stature they'll be in a better place to keep players like Miazga. Nobody would make the argument that the MLS can offer what Chelsea can today.
     
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    It's not like Miazga left to go to someplace in Norway, it was to Chelsea. No sane player would reject that to stay in MLS (ditto for Yedlin-Spurs). Plus, not to mention, Miazga was in the RBNY setup since 2009, I like to think his American coaches had a hand in not only getting him an HGP deal in '13, but also helping him get his move.

    At this point, I'd also argue MLS selling a homegrown player to Chelsea does a lot more for the league than said player playing his entire career in MLS. It's a sign of definite growth.
     
  23. DoyleG

    DoyleG Mr. Reality

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    Obviously the first batch won't be as good. Most of these academies have been around for only a few years, with time they will get better and produce better players.
     
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    Yedlin made a sound career choice, There were some here who wanted him to stay in the MLS even though he had too much talent. Glad he had a good season.
     

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