Why isn't there more talk about how good the Flyers are going to be?

[Aceboogie]

Potentially good defense. No goaltending. Solid forwards but Giroux is regressing from a top 5 center to top 25, Couturier showing to only be a 3c, Patrick.Hischier are meh top picks (likely 2nd line level). Vorachek and Simmonds are good but not elite

Solid future ahead of them, but I struggle to see a great future team

 

[CanadianSniper]

Some of the responses in this thread are truly ignorant. Can't wait to bump this thread in the future.

 

[leafsfan1234]

Half the people on these boards were convinced Marner and Nylander were going to bust before last year. When the team actually starts winning they'll get respect, right now they're just hopes and dreams.

 

[Adam Warlock]

Half the people on these boards were convinced Marner and Nylander were going to bust before last year. When the team actually starts winning they'll get respect, right now they're just hopes and dreams.

Yeah they need their young players in the NHL and producing before they get the hype.

Sanheim, Myers, Morin, Hagg, Patrick/Hischier, Lindblom, Rubstov, Hart, Sandstrom, etc

A lot of potential there, but until they show it in the NHL they wont get the hype. But if even half of that group hits in addition to guys like Provorov, Couturier, Konecny, and Ghost (who people forget how good he can be) the Flyers will be very good.

They also bad a down year...so people are down on a lot of their players now.

 

[Gargyn]

Honestly, it's because it's hard to see the Flyers getting a leg up in that division just yet.

The Penguins, Jackets, Rangers, Islanders, and Capitals should all be objectively better than the Flyers for the foreseeable future. It's hard to get behind a team that's "up and coming" in the Metro right now because we all know it's the toughest division in the NHL.

You'll have your day with that young core, but it's not imminent like the Leafs, nor has it arrived like the Oilers.

Islanders? Lol they have 1 good forward.

 

[Absolut]

This is a team with average goaltending, average group of forwards (though I expect Giroux to rebound, and Simmer is great), a franchise D in Provorov, and an exciting PP specialist in Ghost. Their defensive protect group looks pretty special. Even if none are as good as Provorov, they will all fill specific roles for the Flyers. And one the incoming kid D may be a legit top-pair guy. They also have offensive prospects in the pipeline. It will be a very different team 2 years down the road. But unless the goaltending is addressed, I am not sure how far they will go.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I detest the franchise, so no fanboy nonsense here, just noting that while everyone is slobbering over the Leafs, Oilers, etc, Philly is going to have potentially the best young d-core in the entire league, a deep roster of talented forwards and (probably) Nolan freakin' Patrick. They are going to rise, RAPIDLY.

they don't have a #1 goalie, until they get that they are going nowhere

you can't win without a #1 goalie

 

[Absolut]

they don't have a #1 goalie, until they get that they are going nowhere

you can't win without a #1 goalie

I posted the same thing. But in the next 2-3 years they are not winning anything with or without a #1 goalie. Their stud D-man is 20. Their prospects will be rookies / sophomores in 17/18 and 18/19 seasons. So they start hitting their stride in 19/20. Giroux, Simmonds and Gudas (if they are still there) will still be young enough. Stolarz may be their guy in the net at point. If not, they trade for a #1 goalie.

 

[BritainStix]

You're expecting an 18 year old to hold down 2nd line center duties? Thats very far away from making "serious noise". Just remember Matthews started out as 3c last year. And Hirsh/Patrick arent within 2 tiers of Matthews

did you not see the three lines up there? They are all pretty much equal.

 

[PatrikBerglund]

Lack of an elite Dman, lack of elite forwards, lack of elite Gs.

Lack of elite, plain and simple.

Rumor has ut that Philly will go hard for OEL now.


Oh, and I'm the one starting that rumor.

 

[Lays]

I think their offense will be good but the timing is a tad off imo. Giroux is declining and Voracek and Simmonds ages are not on par with the younger players. They'll need an elite forward soon. Their defense is overrated though. Provorov is good and likely an elite dman as soon as next year but I'm not impressed with Morin, Hagg, Ghost (defensively.) Sanheim and Myers are nice but these are all prospects (except Ghost) and I doubt they all hit whats expected of them. Also, their goalie situation is not so pretty and I doubt Neuvirth/Stolarz can get the job done. Hart looks promising but goalies are always a mystery.

 

[Absolut]

Their defense is overrated though. Provorov is good and likely an elite dman as soon as next year but I'm not impressed with Morin, Hagg, Ghost (defensively.) Sanheim and Myers are nice but these are all prospects (except Ghost) and I doubt they all hit whats expected of them.

But what is expected of them? One of them can be a top-2 guy. If not, Gudas is only 27 y.o. One of them can be a top-4 guy, complementing Ghost. What are the chances of none of them becoming top-4? They don't all need to be #1Ds you know. And they won't be. But they will be your top-4 guys, or solid top-6. And there is tremendous value in that. As much as everyone would love to have 7 Hedmans on their team, it ain't happening for anyone, Flyers included. Nor does it need to happen.

 

[Hivemind]

Remember when people were slobbering over Pittsburgh's defensive prospect pool a few years back? Turns out that most of them ended up as busts and all their AHL forwards became studs instead.

 

[VoynovsParoleOfficer]

Philadelphia Flyers Outlook

Born in NJ, ranger fan, despise all Philly sports and Flyers are on the top of that list for obvious reasons. Went to College in Flyer country and now live in PA so ive been around these guys for a while and i hate to admit it but i am getting nervous.

Hextall is doing a phenomenal job since he took over.. i hear rumblings that they need a shake up, but as of right now i have this team ranked #1 (outside of this years playoffs teams) for brightest future.

Projected 2017-18:

Lindblom-Giroux-Voracek
Schenn-Patrick-Simmonds
Konecny-Couts-Read/Weise

Players in the near future: Rubstov

Provorov-Ghosty
Hagg-Gudas
Morin-xxx

Players in near future: Sanheim, Myers

Flyers really have no business making a shake up..they have a great top 9 and a potentially insane Defense Core. All they need is to pull together a productive 4th line with Filpulla/Read/Laughton/etc. and find a temporary 6/7D until the young guns are ready.

Goaltending will be the last hole to fill which has been Phillys problem forever, i know alot of Flyers fans think the answer is in the pipeline im not sure how i feel. I think Mrazek would be a nice fit personally

 

[Rich Nixon]

I don't think Filpula will be on the 4th line.

 

[VoynovsParoleOfficer]

I don't think Filpula will be on the 4th line.

can he play W effectively? i cant imagine Nico/Nolan playing in the AHL or 4th line

 

[ChiefWiggum]

Our defense is going to look outstanding.

4 concerns:

1) Will Giroux, Voracek and Simmonds be young enough to compete at a high level once our prospects have matured

2) Where is the secondary scoring? I like Couts and Schenn but they have limitations.

3) What will Patrick or Nico turn into? Some say top 6 center which basically means that they are not a franchise cornerstone piece. We cannot expect these guys to be on the same level as McDavid or Matthews and we need to continue to build our forward depth

4) Who's stopping the puck? Neuvirth can't be trusted and our prospects are not proven commodities. We need to acquire a free agent with high potential or find one via trade.

 

[ChiefWiggum]

can he play W effectively? i cant imagine Nico/Nolan playing in the AHL or 4th line

One analyst on Sportsnet said that he doesn't expect anybody in this draft to play more than 50 NHL games next year. I think Patrick or Hischier will be going back to junior

 

[Rich Nixon]

can he play W effectively? i cant imagine Nico/Nolan playing in the AHL or 4th line

I would guess an 18 year old rookie would find himself on wing and Read/Weise would find themselves on the 4th or waivers long before Filppula was forced off his position or played less than 10 minutes a night. He's a good player, getting him at the end of a forgettable season makes it very easy to forget that the Flyers even have him, but I'd guess he and Couturier both anchor similarly-built middle 6 lines, some combination of Konecny, Simmonds, Schenn, and another rookie on the wings.

It's impossible to tell. Lindblom and Nico/Nolan both have to make the team before we can start slotting them into the lineup. Could see someone moved, Schenn maybe, and we don't know who the goalie is. Besides, there's a similar thread from like yesterday that's literally on the next page.

EDIT: and now we are in that thread.

 

[gordie]

I detest the franchise, so no fanboy nonsense here, just noting that while everyone is slobbering over the Leafs, Oilers, etc, Philly is going to have potentially the best young d-core in the entire league, a deep roster of talented forwards and (probably) Nolan freakin' Patrick. They are going to rise, RAPIDLY.

Because the NHL will never go with 6 skaters and no goalie for games.

 

[smetana]

Some of the responses in this thread are truly ignorant. Can't wait to bump this thread in the future.

You won't be bumping it any time soon. Philly won't make the playoffs this coming season. It's already been explained why by the "ignorant" posters.

 

[Jtown]

a lot is up in the air whereas tml, winnipeg have realized talent.

We don't know about sanheim, rubstov, morin, myers stolarz etc etc we just dont know how they will pan out. They could do well or bust.

Even if they all hit, that forward core is aging

 

[Lomez]

Meh...

 

[Beef Invictus]

Whenever I listened to NHL Radio last summer, the Flyers were ALL they talked about. Maybe people are waiting to see how good they'll actually be this season.

Yeah this is kind of important.


As is the mystery G situation.

 

[1specter]

Ahem......

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2224165