Why isn't there more talk about how good the Flyers are going to be?

[Vukotal Recall]

I detest the franchise, so no fanboy nonsense here, just noting that while everyone is slobbering over the Leafs, Oilers, etc, Philly is going to have potentially the best young d-core in the entire league, a deep roster of talented forwards and (probably) Nolan freakin' Patrick. They are going to rise, RAPIDLY.

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[boredmale]

Because they are to busy discussing how good <fill in my favorite team> will be.

 

[BHD]

Whenever I listened to NHL Radio last summer, the Flyers were ALL they talked about. Maybe people are waiting to see how good they'll actually be this season.

 

[BPD]

Honestly, it's because it's hard to see the Flyers getting a leg up in that division just yet.

The Penguins, Jackets, Rangers, Islanders, and Capitals should all be objectively better than the Flyers for the foreseeable future. It's hard to get behind a team that's "up and coming" in the Metro right now because we all know it's the toughest division in the NHL.

You'll have your day with that young core, but it's not imminent like the Leafs, nor has it arrived like the Oilers.

 

[Mlotek]

Who is in goal?

Flyers fans don't deserve a goalie since they chased away Roman Cechmanek. May the living ghost of Roman haunt the team for the next couple decades. Chase away a goalie getting a sub 2 GAA, come on.

Ditto for Bryzgalov. He played pretty much the same way as he did in Phoenix. The difference is, Phoenix played a much better defensive game compared to the run and gun offence of Philadelphia. He wasn't a stranger to letting in fluke goals in either. The big difference is it wasn't over scrutinized.

This is the same franchise that gave away a Vezina winning goalie in Bobrovsky.

 

[Mrb1p]

Lack of an elite Dman, lack of elite forwards, lack of elite Gs.

Lack of elite, plain and simple.

 

[New Jersey]

i mean i don't care how good they are and how bad we are, we'll still beat them 3 out of 4.

 

[TheProspector]

Because the Leafs and the Oil are good now. There is no "probably". 5th best offense in the league already.

When Philly starts scoring goals, they'll be slobbered over.

 

[Mrb1p]

Because the Leafs and the Oil are good now. There is no "probably". 5th best offense in the league already.

When Philly starts scoring goals, they'll be slobbered over.

Whos gonna score them?

 

[boredmale]

On a serious note about the flyers, while it's nice having a young defensive core, chances are you really won't see that pay off till all of them are at least 23/24. People generally overrate 21/22 year old defense on the basis of what they will be in a few years ignoring all the faults they have right now

 

[hagelin1381]

Poor bottom 6 (still), and they'll still have Macdonald playing important minutes. Oh, and their goalie is a mystery box right now, and Hakstol.. He's not lookin too good as a coach given that he loves his fourth line despite it being utter *******

 

[LetsGoBLUES91]

They were this amazing offensive team recently with a high school caliber defense and goaltending. Now from a prospect point of view their defense is going to be ridiculous. They finally fixed it. But is it too late? They are older at forward now. And still don't have great goaltending.

They're Dallas with older forwards and a better group of prospects.

 

[Frank the Tank]

If one looks at the underlying advanced statistics for the team, one quickly realizes that the Flyers just don't have enough Giroux-adjusted-assists to win hockey games.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1144857

 

[phillyfan43]

The Flyers will do well next season. The defense is going to be improved. This kid Oskar Lindblom is going to make some noise. A lot of people don't realize how good this kid is going to be. They also have a new power play coach that suppose to be really good. Flyers were 28th in the league last year in power play. That will be much improved next year. So we have to see what happens with a goaltender this year. I still think we're better than the Islanders, but that division is very tough.

 

[Drew4u]

Other than Provorov, they don't have anyone that has the potential to be elite. Their defensive prospects are overrated. None that have top pairing potential. And Patrick isn't that special. Many scouts believe he will be a great second line center but not a 1C. Giroux and Vorachek are declining, and who's their starting goalie??

 

[Crescent Street]

Because everyone loves to hate the Flyers.

 

[tony d]

I agree, they're going to be good. That defense has top 5 in the league potential. As well they're guaranteed Hischier or Patrick at the draft so that's going to help with their offense.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Below average Goaltending and Defense. They will battle for a playoff spot all year because of this.

 

[chethejet]

In a year or two the Oilers and Toronto could surpass the Pens with Crosby and Malkin. I don't see that in the flyers. I detest the flyers as a Pens fan, but still it will take a decline in the Caps, Pens for them to make any hay. I actually think the Blue Jackets have a brighter future as the two D men are better than the Flyers D. Oilers, Toronto, Blue Jackets look to be teams to be tough outs next year. I don't see that in Philly.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

Nice prospects but as of now they're a non playoff team, while Toronto and Edmonton are close to breaking through as elite teams. They're just further off which is why they're not talked about as much.

 

[Nizdizzle]

I don't care how good their defense becomes, without some major upgrades they are going to be hard pressed to score goals. They've been searching for goaltender stability for a long time now, and I don't see any immediate remedy for that either.

I think until we actually see some results its hard to get hyped about a team with essentially just a (potentially) really strong d-core.

 

[John Price]

I Think the flyers will have a bright future because they are calling up so many kids from Lehigh Valley and I want to see how the will do in the national hockey league. It is good to see the new generation of talent rise up and I look forward to subsequent flyers seasons.

Regards,

Mike E.

 

[heretik27]

They never hit rock bottom the way a team like Edmonton or Toronto did to rebuild. Hence, the excitement around the league just won't be there until their young studs like Provorov break out in the NHL and begin reaching their potential.

 

[Ogrezilla]

They never hit rock bottom the way a team like Edmonton or Toronto did to rebuild. Hence, the excitement around the league just won't be there until their young studs like Provorov break out in the NHL and begin reaching their potential.

add to that that they are a team people just expect to be good.

 

[Rich Nixon]

I don't care how good their defense becomes, without some major upgrades they are going to be hard pressed to score goals. They've been searching for goaltender stability for a long time now, and I don't see any immediate remedy for that either.

I think until we actually see some results its hard to get hyped about a team with essentially just a (potentially) really strong d-core.

Hard-pressed to score goals? Yeah it was an off year for many of their best, but Konecny, Lindblom and Hischier/Patrick blended into a forward corp that already includes Giroux (who is not as good as he was, but not as bad as last season), Voracek, Simmonds and Schenn, backed up by a very mobile and offensively capable defense that will include Ghost, Provorov and Sanheim? I don't think they will struggle to score goals.

Hakstol's system and, at times, personnel choices have been stifling their scorers to an extent, as well. People's expectations of their current forward core were established under Laviolette, confused under Berube, and tempered under Hakstol. That's going from an all out attack to an utter lack of system to a very boring, conservative system.