Why is it hard for some of us to accept that the Penguins are rebuilding?

[Pens1566]

To answer the original question:

Because a large portion of the fanbase jumped onboard after they started winning w/Sid & Geno. They've never experienced a losing team. Some will leave as a result.

 

[HandshakeLine]

we older fans don't know anything more than younger fans, we're just all idiots posting about hockey on the internet. lol.

 

[ncm7772]

I wasn't gloating about our lousy team. I was preparing you for the fact that the Boy Genius will do to your team what he did to ours. He already has alienated Crosby and will ruin any hopes for the future. I really wish you luck.


And Dubas maintained the mediocrity, GL bro.

Mediocrity, huh? Giving that franchise way too much credit.

 

[ThosePuckingPenguins]

I wasn't gloating about our lousy team. I was preparing you for the fact that the Boy Genius will do to your team what he did to ours. He already has alienated Crosby and will ruin any hopes for the future. I really wish you luck.


And Dubas maintained the mediocrity, GL bro.

Please give us evidence that he’s alienated Crosby. I would love to see or read it.

 

[SEALBound]

Please give us evidence that he’s alienated Crosby. I would love to see or read it.

There is none. He's talking out of his ass just like the majority of people here.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

we older fans don't know anything more than younger fans, we're just all idiots posting about hockey on the internet. lol.

The same could be said about a number of the media reporting on the Pens.

What is F3 again?

 

[HandshakeLine]

The same could be said about a number of the media reporting on the Pens.

What is F3 again?

Well, it's between F2 and F4 for starters.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

The same could be said about a number of the media reporting on the Pens.

What is F3 again?

Isn't that like the AHL equivalent for F1 drivers to learn their craft?

 

[Pancakes]

It's not about being bad or good. It's about the soulless FSG overlords ruling over the least fun Penguins hockey ever.

I went to 30 games a year during X-Gen and don't need to be told to "embrace the bad years". This era is way, way worse. It's a bunch of corporate bullshit spoonfed by Dubas/FSG cronies.

The X-Gen Pens were more fun because there was hope there that eventually the high draft picks would pay off and the Pens would get somewhere good. And they did.

These Pens are terrible to watch because they aren't bad enough to bottom out completely and also because it's a matter of expectations as well. This team was expected to compete at the least for a playoff spot. Instead they're going to end up nowhere near one, and yet still not bad enough to pick top 5 probably (barring luck).

 

[DesertPenguin]

I accept for fact that ownership and management intend to compete for as long as Sid is in the uniform, so steps that don't appear to align with that objective are negatively received. I want to see us take one more run at it, or conduct a fire sale. Instead it seems we are going the way of the Red Wings.

 

[Gurglesons]

The X-Gen Pens were more fun because there was hope there that eventually the high draft picks would pay off and the Pens would get somewhere good. And they did.

These Pens are terrible to watch because they aren't bad enough to bottom out completely and also because it's a matter of expectations as well. This team was expected to compete at the least for a playoff spot. Instead they're going to end up nowhere near one, and yet still not bad enough to pick top 5 probably (barring luck).

The X-Gen Pens were not fun and this idea that they were around here is bizarre.

That team was horrible and the team was also consistently rumored to be relocating during that time.

And that was also only for realistically two seasons. We then immediately got Crosby and Malkin in back to back drafts.

 

[BusinessGoose]

The X-Gen Pens were not fun and this idea that they were around here is bizarre.

That team was horrible and the team was also consistently rumored to be relocating during that time.

And that was also only for realistically two seasons. We then immediately got Crosby and Malkin in back to back drafts.

Fata looks better than R. Smith

 

[Pancakes]

The X-Gen Pens were not fun and this idea that they were around here is bizarre.

That team was horrible and the team was also consistently rumored to be relocating during that time.

And that was also only for realistically two seasons. We then immediately got Crosby and Malkin in back to back drafts.

More fun is maybe the wrong terminology but my point is they were less upsetting than this Pens team.

The X-Gen Pens sucked and nobody expected anything out of them, so watching them lose was whatever. And there was a promise of high draft picks at least.

These Pens were expected to compete for a playoff spot and then fell flat on their faces and Dubas is about to double down on the thing that made them bad (Sullivan). And we're about to lose one of our first round picks either this year or next and said pick might well be a high one. So even if this team loses a lot next year it won't even have the silver lining of losing picks.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

More fun is maybe the wrong terminology but my point is they were less upsetting than this Pens team.

The X-Gen Pens sucked and nobody expected anything out of them, so watching them lose was whatever. And there was a promise of high draft picks at least.

These Pens were expected to compete for a playoff spot and then fell flat on their faces and Dubas is about to double down on the thing that made them bad (Sullivan). And we're about to lose one of our first round picks either this year or next and said pick might well be a high one. So even if this team loses a lot next year it won't even have the silver lining of losing picks.

And maybe it's through nostalgia-tinted glasses, but those teams at least seemed to work hard. They just had shit for talent.

Sullivan's Penguins don't seem to give a shit 90% of the time and Sullivan has them playing the absolute most boring game possible.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

The XGen years were absolutely more fun as a fan, it's not even really questionable. The team sucked, but who cares? It was easy to root for the underdog and losses meant something (good draft picks, hope that the guys picked would help out). This slow, miserable death of the era is an infinitely worse experience.

 

[Zbynek]

The X-Gen Pens were not fun and this idea that they were around here is bizarre.

That team was horrible and the team was also consistently rumored to be relocating during that time.

And that was also only for realistically two seasons. We then immediately got Crosby and Malkin in back to back drafts.

Ehhh, totally disagree. Could be I've grown old and cynical, but the vibes were never as bad as they are now.

It has everything to do with ownership + management. You could tell Craig Patrick and his identity was aligned with the Penguins. We didn't have money but there was "soul". There was worry over the future of the franchise, yes, but I wouldn't say the pessimism was anything like the 5 year over-expired Mike Sullivan led shitshow we have today.

There is none of that "soul" in the FSG era. And if you ask me it's more apparent than ever under Dubas.

Ultimately I just don't trust anything comes out of that little nerd's mouth. I really don't like him as the figurehead of the Pens franchise. Bad vibes, worst ever for me by far.

 

[The Great Mighty Poo]

The only rebuilding team terrified and reluctant to play what little young players they have.

 

[LOGiK]

we older fans don't know anything more than younger fans, we're just all idiots posting about hockey on the internet. lol.

Well... in the united states (at least in general) age and wisdom are scoffed at and mostly disrespected.
Age discrimination !
Sad really.

 

[Zbynek]

The only rebuilding team terrified and reluctant to play what little young players they have.

Don't forget oldest team in the league with the most stubborn head coach in the league.

The combo of all of those things is just insane. We deserve this hellish limbo we're in for all of those things. Ownership and management just don't want to budge.

 

[LOGiK]

More fun is maybe the wrong terminology but my point is they were less upsetting than this Pens team.

The X-Gen Pens sucked and nobody expected anything out of them, so watching them lose was whatever. And there was a promise of high draft picks at least.

These Pens were expected to compete for a playoff spot and then fell flat on their faces and Dubas is about to double down on the thing that made them bad (Sullivan). And we're about to lose one of our first round picks either this year or next and said pick might well be a high one. So even if this team loses a lot next year it won't even have the silver lining of losing picks.

Difficult to remember exactly.
I was.... in my late teens so... the mindset was different. The time was different. The music was different. Everything was different. The feel.... is not just different, but it has gone. The feel changed and I don't see it coming back until HCMS is GONE.
I don't like this hockey. I will not support it. I don't care what definition I get described as... but who in their right mind watches something they get no enjoyment from?

I'd rather the revolving door of nobodies trying their best to make it to the big-time... than..... than the old mans retirement community.

 

[Zbynek]

Getting Karlsson was the biggest blue-ball. How do you get EK65 to play with Sid and Geno then do an about-face in under 8 months?

If you're going to sell then sell. If you're going to give Sid a chance to keep competing then do that. What is FSG's obsession with being smack dab in the middle?

 

[Gurglesons]

Ehhh, totally disagree. Could be I've grown old and cynical, but the vibes were never as bad as they are now.

It has everything to do with ownership + management. You could tell Craig Patrick and his identity was aligned with the Penguins. We didn't have money but there was "soul". There was worry over the future of the franchise, yes, but I wouldn't say the pessimism was anything like the 5 year over-expired Mike Sullivan led shitshow we have today.

There is none of that "soul" in the FSG era. And if you ask me it's more apparent than ever under Dubas.

Ultimately I just don't trust anything comes out of that little nerd's mouth. I really don't like him as the figurehead of the Pens franchise. Bad vibes, worst ever for me by far.

The Penguins were selling our best players for cash during the X Generation.

I feel like a ton of this is just nostalgia because that team turned into Sid and Malkin.

 

[Coastal Kev]

Even though a Penguins "rebuild" was eventually going to happen, I've noticed that some people seem to have a hard time understanding and accepting that we may not be a contender for "awhile" (until 2030, which is my prediction)

However, sports fans aren't satisfied (during a rebuild) until their team becomes a contender again, which means that we'll just have to deal with it until we return to NHL relevance...

IMO, since the Penguins drafted Lemieux, Jagr, Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Fleury, etc) our current generation of Penguin fans may have some issues accepting the fact that we may not be good for some time, even though this happens throughout the sports world:

Detroit Red Wings, Chicago Blackhawks, LA Kings, Tampa Bay Lightning, Vegas Golden Knights, New England Patriots, Kansas City Chiefs, etc...

On an extra note, hopefully the Penguins will draft within the Top 5-10 (until they become contenders again) along with possibly winning the draft lottery as well...

You're asking fans to accept their fate and the organization is giving guys like Rakell & Rust 5+ year contracts?????

WAKE UP

 

[The Great Mighty Poo]

Don't forget oldest team in the league with the most stubborn head coach in the league.

The combo of all of those things is just insane. We deserve this hellish limbo we're in for all of those things. Ownership and management just don't want to budge.

Oilers are now the oldest.

 

[edog37]

It's not about being bad or good. It's about the soulless FSG overlords ruling over the least fun Penguins hockey ever.

I went to 30 games a year during X-Gen and don't need to be told to "embrace the bad years". This era is way, way worse. It's a bunch of corporate bullshit spoonfed by Dubas/FSG cronies.

Oh bro, you don’t know how good you have it now compared to the early 80s. Those were dark years. Hate to tell you, most pro sports are part of corporations.