Why did Chicago ever trade Panarin?

[Spirit of 67]

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They feared exactly what Columbus is going through right now.

Exactly.
If they didn't do it last summer, they would've had to do it this summer.

They just simply made a bad trade.

 

[Scott Stevens]

Thought he was tossed under the bus for getting swept?

Who got swept?

 

[Shockmaster]

Who got swept?

Chicago in 2017 by Nashville.

 

[Scott Stevens]

Chicago in 2017 by Nashville.

Oh, ok. For some reason I thought Panarin was in Columbus two seasons now. Oopsie.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Hindsight 20/20.

Saad is now s*** AF (what ever the reason is), wont "bounce back" either.
Panarin is even better what he was when he was traded.
Hossa retirement -> would of helped re-signing Panarin

If only Hawks would of waited and not haste on things
should not of traded Panarin (no matter what, possible "excuses" or not)

Saad very low oish% and barely any 2nd assists, he will bounce back. Still nowhere near Panarin tho

 

[Butch 19]

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They feared exactly what Columbus is going through right now.

the cap works

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Artemi had more points than Patrick....that's pretty f***ing insane....

 

[KingsFan7824]

looking back, it just seems ridiculous to trade that high of a caliber player. 80 point scorer for the last 3 years who had amazing chemistry with Kane and for some reason decided to trade him for a guy who had 35 points this year. Does anyone have any insight as to why Chicago traded him?

Well they didn't trade for him today. At the time, he was coming off 53 points, with 50 of those at ES. That 50 was tied with Draisaitl, Burns, Wheeler, Getzlaf, and Laine. Only 7 fewer ES points than Panarin. From 15-16 t o 16-17, Saad had 94 ES points, tied with Kucherov, and good for 17th overall. That was done on a Columbus team for 2 years that didn't have Panarin. He didn't put up Panarin's numbers, but they weren't so far off that the 2 extra years at $6m didn't have value in a hard cap world. From 14-15 to 16-17, Saad again was 17th overall in ES scoring, tied with Backstrom, and only 1 behind Ovechkin. You could do much worse than getting Saad for Panarin.

The mid-30 points Saad isn't who they traded for, and there wasn't really a reason to think he would drop by 20 points last year.

 

[justafan22]

Exactly.
If they didn't do it last summer, they would've had to do it this summer.

They just simply made a bad trade.

Trading Panarin last summer wasn't the wrong decision, what they got back for him was the issue.

 

[ijk]

I just want to remind everyone that early on last season some people on HF viewed the trade as a win from Chicago's standpoint when Saad had a couple of big multipoint games under his belt and Panarin hadn't yet emerged as a dominant force in Columbus.

We all know now how that turned out... but my point is, that the trade hasnt always been viewed as a catastrophe from Chicago's POV.

Anyway, hopefully Saad finds his groove. He surely can't be as disappointing next year as he was last year. The same applies to the whole Chicago team.

 

[HC7]

SO THEY COULD RE SIGN SEABROOK LMAOOO

 

[Drake1588]

Giving Kane his contract was fine. He earns it. Then they paid a #2 center, with intangibles out the ying yang, $10M and all the term. Panarin's next contract was going to be too much to absorb under the cap, so they dealt him.

Could have done better on the trade. Could have done a better job on a lot of cap management particulars over the last few years.

 

[Hockeyfan2390]

Can someone post some links where Chicago players allegedly asked for Saad back?

 

[Mr Positive]

Panarin's next deal will start with him being 27 (edit: 28 actually). Chicago could have signed him for 7 million-ish AAV if they gave term, with some lower years on the back end for when he's around 35

 

[Jordan Belfort]

Well they didn't trade for him today. At the time, he was coming off 53 points, with 50 of those at ES. That 50 was tied with Draisaitl, Burns, Wheeler, Getzlaf, and Laine. Only 7 fewer ES points than Panarin. From 15-16 t o 16-17, Saad had 94 ES points, tied with Kucherov, and good for 17th overall. That was done on a Columbus team for 2 years that didn't have Panarin. He didn't put up Panarin's numbers, but they weren't so far off that the 2 extra years at $6m didn't have value in a hard cap world. From 14-15 to 16-17, Saad again was 17th overall in ES scoring, tied with Backstrom, and only 1 behind Ovechkin. You could do much worse than getting Saad for Panarin.

The mid-30 points Saad isn't who they traded for, and there wasn't really a reason to think he would drop by 20 points last year.

Thanks for the explanation. Really well responded.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Because they gave Seabrook Panarin’s money by mistake

Actually they gave Seabrook Saad's money

This entire fiasco can be traced back to the summer of 2015 and Stanley choosing to trade Saad and extending Seabrook

 

[Tavares to Marner]

Possibly as bad as the Hall for Larsson deal.

not even close

it's makes some sense from Chicago sense

Hall is worth 2 Larssons at this point if he puts up another season like this

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

I think it’s because he’s not a typical “player you win with” that has intangibles. Looks like a very regretful trade at this point.

 

[thethirdhockeyman91]

Old school North American hockey bullshit ‘’we got swept blame it on the lazy skilled russian’’ We need more grit and character and all that other nonsense

 

[Voight]

I didn't like it as a Hawks fan but Saad-Toews has proved to be a successful pair before.

 

[SoCalFan]

Old school North American hockey bull**** ‘’we got swept blame it on the lazy skilled russian’’ We need more grit and character and all that other nonsense

this is bullshit. try thinking a little deeper. they weren't going to be able to f***ing afford him. no one scapegoated him.

 

[Garbs]

Trading your 2nd best player to alleviate future cap tension should probably cost you your job.

 

[thethirdhockeyman91]

this is bull****. try thinking a little deeper. they weren't going to be able to ****ing afford him. no one scapegoated him.

I highly doubt Joel ‘’tough guy’’ Quenville was a fan of the flashy Russian.

 

[SoCalFan]

I highly doubt Joel ‘’tough guy’’ Quenville was a fan of the flashy Russian.

yeah, he hates Patrick "Showtime" Kane too.

 

[tony d]

Salary cap issues seemed to be the biggest issue I believe.