Why are the Flames a better organization?

[Lay Z Boy GM]

Theain difference if they still had quality vets during their rebuild but they didn't trade them all away. This meant they had actual mentors for their prospects. They also picked the right players at the draft instead of the BPA. That's the one thing about 1st overall picks, you pretty much have to take the consensus BPA.

I think we'll be better within 2-3 years though, our coaching staff and gm are superior but they're going to take at least a few months to make their mark.

 

[victor]

The Flames overachieved last year, but their coach recognized that the way to the playoffs is through their own division.

The Flames record, against the east, was actually worse than Edmonton's.

Calgary beat Vancouver, Arizona, and Edmonton, and it was those points that got them to the playoffs. Their coach won a Jack Adams for it.

They have a more balanced roster, with more veterans. Edmonton has a younger roster, with young players in key roles. They're going to be close this year.

 

[Gone]

Strong, STABLE management

and do not change the coach every 12 months

1) Strong Management Group capable of evaluating and understanding the worth of both professional and amateur talent;
2) Professional and Amateur scouts;
3) Managements unwillingness to lose a trade; and
4) Managements unwillingness to make a mistake at Free Agency.

There is more, but basically these guys build their team by winning trades, good FA signings, and solid drafting.

The Oilers, they get lucky by losing - nothing else.

 

[Lacaar]

It's not so much they've been or are a good organization.

Really they've only made the playoffs once in the last 6 or 7 years?

It's that we are really that bad. Sadly. hahah

 

[Gone]

The Flames overachieved last year, but their coach recognized that the way to the playoffs is through their own division.

The Flames record, against the east, was actually worse than Edmonton's.

Calgary beat Vancouver, Arizona, and Edmonton, and it was those points that got them to the playoffs. Their coach won a Jack Adams for it.

They have a more balanced roster, with more veterans. Edmonton has a younger roster, with young players in key roles. They're going to be close this year.

I disagree about the 'overachieve comments'. They have a solid mobile defensive group, that can gain control of and move the puck out of their end efficiently. That is why Arizona is winning today, and why the Oilers are losing.

 

[Kepler 186f]

Sure thats part of the problem, but so is the awful management unwilling or unable to make the necessary moves to improve the team, ownership unwilling to move on from the OBC despite their consistent failures, brutal pro scouting, mediocre (at best) amateur scouting, questionable training staff when you hear some of the stories about how injuries were dealt with in the past. This organization has been rotten throughout for a long time now, Hopefully Nicholson, Chia, and Mclellan can fix it, but they have their work cut out for them

The intentional sucking was the mistake. They should have been wheeling and dealing as soon as they had Hall. Karma is a bugger.

 

[GMofOilers]

They got Gio and Brodie, both generate offense off the back end. Its pretty simple.

 

[Husker Du]

Oilers have had 7 coaches in those 9 years. Don't you think having 7 coaches in 9 years is part of the problem.

Our coaching carousel is certainly an indictment on the Oilers organization. There are many more reasons why we have been the worst organization in the NHL. I just don't think the Flames have been a model organization either.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

I disagree about the 'overachieve comments'. They have a solid mobile defensive group, that can gain control of and move the puck out of their end efficiently. That is why Arizona is winning today, and why the Oilers are losing.

They scored 12 6-on-5 goals when the league norm was 5.

But they didn't overachieve.

 

[victor]

I disagree about the 'overachieve comments'. They have a solid mobile defensive group, that can gain control of and move the puck out of their end efficiently. That is why Arizona is winning today, and why the Oilers are losing.

Why did they have a worse record than Edmonton playing teams from the east?

Look at their record against teams outside of their division. Why did the solid, mobile group only work against their division?

That, combined with Flames patented "come from behind hockey" last year, and it's clear that they overachieved.

 

[McDynasty]

As of now the Flames have won one game this year, they lost tonight against the Jets. They don't seem to be doing that much better than Edmonton

 

[oobga]

They have better high end D yes, but the entire team plays balls to the wall all night every night. Do we even do that for 10% of each game? The culture they have is completely different. Lowe created the culture where losing is OK, because one day everything will just magically get better if you just wait long enough. Flames created a culture where losing is unacceptable no matter what and only you, today, can make anything better. Their team overall isn't that great though, so they will continue to struggle no matter how hard they try. The Oilers, we don't really know what the high end for this group is because it's been so long since the entire team could consistently give an honest NHL-calibre effort.

 

[Gone]

Why did they have a worse record than Edmonton playing teams from the east?

Look at their record against teams outside of their division. Why did the solid, mobile group only work against their division?

That, combined with Flames patented "come from behind hockey" last year, and it's clear that they overachieved.

And when they make the playoffs this year, will you once again call it "over achieve"?

 

[McFlyingV]

And when they make the playoffs this year, will you once again call it "over achieve"?

They won't, but neither will we.

 

[Mr Positive]

And when they make the playoffs this year, will you once again call it "over achieve"?

if they make the playoffs this year, then most will admit that they are for real. Unsustainable play usually lasts for only a season.

 

[McDeathbyCheerios*]

And when they make the playoffs this year, will you once again call it "over achieve"?

They are 1-3 and their huge d pickup looks like a 4/5 guy right now

 

[Bryanbryoil]

First of all I hope that this thread doesn't invite trolling or it will be turfed in a hurry.

As for my take:

1) They got really lucky that Gio became the player that he did. Because he did he mentored Brodie and will mentor Hamilton ad it will allow them to be brought along properly instead of thrown to the wolves.

2) They don't have a losing culture, their team never really tried to tank so their vets never lost their fire and accepted what losing they did have

3) Not simply handing players the keys to the car before they are ready or deserve it.

4) Solid vets

5) They never allowed their youth to get bullied nearly as much as we allowed ours so they don't play timid.

6) Solid coaching instead of duds like Eakins.

7) Better drafting and management in general compared to what we had prior to Chia.

That is one hell of a long list and Chia and McLellan are going to have a ton of pressure on them to undue the stank left from MacT, Tambo and Eakins. They left a **** cloud that doesn't want to leave.

 

[K1984]

When you can only muster ~20 shots per game it will catch up to teams. It has for them so far this season.

 

[Tyrolean]

This op proves we have an inferiority complex to Calgary. Why worry or compare with them? There's 28 other teams also we have to be better than.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

And when they make the playoffs this year, will you once again call it "over achieve"?

Consider that they had several players have career years last year and only barely made the playoffs.

Think Lance Bouma scores more than Taylor Hall again this year?

 

[smackdaddy]

This op proves we have an inferiority complex to Calgary. Why worry or compare with them? There's 28 other teams also we have to be better than.

This is the first time I've ever seen a cgy thread on these boards.

 

[oobga]

This is the first time I've ever seen a cgy thread on these boards.

First time I've ever seen oiler fans compare their team to the flames as well. No idea why we would compare our team to another one in the same province that there has been an on and off rivalry with for over 25 years.

 

[Wheathead]

Because they had smarter hockey people in place for much longer than we have.

Chia and McLellan are a gigantic step in the right direction, but Calgary is way ahead of us on that.

Also, they're not wasting their time on a crap "core" of RNH/Hall/Eberle/Yak and hoping it works out.

 

[NewBoysClub97*]

Who gives a flying F about Calgary. They're sucking too

One overachieving playoffs where they barely squeak in and they are God's gift to how to build a team.

An organization who let Giordano run off to Russia and had Burke bad mouth gudreau before he played for the Flames and say guys like him don't have enough size to play lol.

They took Bennett as leftovers after we took DRAI. Monohan was a no brainer

 

[Dimensha]

This is the first time I've ever seen a cgy thread on these boards.

And most of the thread is Oilers fans looking rationally at why the Flames have been a better and not just shouting "Calgary Sucks." If anyone wants to see what a weird complex about a rival team looks like than venture over to that Flames board, on that other website, and check out their Edmonton thread