Who's being traded?
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Vladys Gumption
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Sobotka may need to be added to the list. The little guy with gumption, while I love him, is losing a step. Constantly injured and is not big enough come playoff time.
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Hi Keeba!
You need a 'none of the above' option.
I'm not convinced that Sobotka and Schwartz can't be fit under the cap. If they CAN, then I don't see a strong reason to make any more moves, and let Leopold be the 7th D.
Majorityof1
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Who do we think will be, or who do we want to be moved? Those are different. Unfortunately, I think Bergie will be a cap dump. His signing was odd, and I think it was to be paart of the Spezza deal. As it never happened, we are stuck with him at a slightly elevated cap hit due to Army rushing negotiation to get him signed before a trade. Leopold makes the most sense but his NTC and the need to add a 7th D complicate it. Therefore, I se Berglund getting moved. I really hope for Leopold.
CaliforniaBlues310
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I only wanted Bergy to go if it was for a first line center or for an upgrade on W. Now that we have Stas and Lehtera, we don't really need to trade him. With all the depth we have now, Paajarvi doesn't have a real spot like others have said, and Leo should go as well. We should pick up a cheap RH shot D-man as our 7th instead so in case of an injury, Cole can slide back over to the left side and the 7th can take Ian's spot.
Disagree completely. He's only 26. He just had a career year and is the best faceoff man in the NHL. When he got (legitimately) injured everyone was whining about it and the team started nosediving. And he hasn't been bad in the playoffs: 6 points in 12 games and +6 the last couple series (against CHI/LA) is not bad for what he's here to do.
No problems trading him for the right deal but he's not dragging us down. Great third liner.
Honestly I don't think we can get anyone interested in Leopold. Selling on him or Paajarvi right now is really selling for peanuts. Berglund has good value though as a flexible #2C and frees up significant cap.
This is maybe craziest message what i have read on notes 'forum'. Guy who is NHL faceoff leader and IMHO 1st or 2nd best deffensive guy on Blues. He's always like playing like 3rd deffender and i think Sobotka has very good deffensive awarness and sense of take place of deffender when needed.
One more thing, Vladi got enormous ability to win 1vs1 situations and he never gives up. Sobotka work method and morele is top notch from blues. I were so disapointed when he join world cup on spring, cus he got that coulple injuries last month and that big one before olympics. Ofc Sobotka get hammered on World Cup by J. Abdelkader, still he came back from that big dirty hit.
If we trade Sobotka that would be like shoot yourself in to leg. Max Vlads cap hit will be 3.5mill$, but i think it will be like 2.5-3mill.$ AAV.
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I doubt if we trade Leopold which give us 2.25mill.$ more cap space. Would that be enough to resign Schwartz + Sobotka and get 1 or 2 debt deffenders?
IF that would work trading only Leopold that will be perfect. We could keep Berglund.
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I list those free agent deffenders on 2014-15 line combos - thread.
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Name, Age, Last team, GP, P, PIM, +/-, TOI/GP
Code:
Benoit, Andre 30 COL 79 7+21=28 26 2 20.21
McBain, Jamie 26 BUF 69 6+11=17 14 -13 20.17
Morris, Derek 35 ARI 63 5+12=17 41 -2 19.45
Salo, Sami 39 TBL 71 4+13=17 18 11 18.19
Del Zotto, M. 24 NSH 67 3+13=16 18 -9 17.21
Butler, Chris 27 CGY 82 2+14=16 39 -23 20.27
Diaz, Raphael 28 NYR 63 2+13=15 16 -2 17.99
Ranger, Paul 29 TOR 53 6+8=14 36 -1 17.42
Hannan, Scott 35 SJS 56 3+9=12 55 1 17.77
Corvo, Joe 37 OTT 25 3+7=10 10 -7 17.52
Sarich, Cory 35 COL 54 1+9=10 38 7 17.09
Prosser, Nate 28 MIN 53 2+6=8 58 2 14.53
Bellemore, Brett 26 CAR 64 2+6=8 45 -1 17.47
Tallinder, Henrik 35 BUF 64 2+6=8 34 -21 19.00
Volchenkov, Anton 32 NJD 56 0+8=8 20 3 16.78
Brookbank, S. 33 CHI 48 2+5=7 52 2 12.89
Belov, Anton 27 EDM 57 1+6=7 34 -12 16.68
Ellerby, Keaton 25 WPG 51 2+4=6 2 4 13.91
Bouillon, Francis 38 MTL 52 2+4=6 34 -5 17.69
Gleason, Tim 31 TOR 56 1+5=6 65 -21 16.63
Jovanovski, Ed 38 FLA 37 1+4=5 39 -6 16.17
Potter, Corey 30 BOS 19 0+5=5 21 -1 13.77
Schultz, Nick 31 CLB 69 0+5=5 28 -13 16.31
Colaiacovo, Carlo 31 STL 25 1+3=4 18 -4 15.15
Klesla, Rostislav 32 BUF 25 1+3=4 24 -3 15.51
Komisarek, Mike 32 CAR 32 0+4=4 14 -4 11.70
Martinek, Radek 37 NYI 13 0+3=3 4 4 15.48
O'Brien, Shane 30 CGY 45 0+3=3 58 -8 11.26
Brouillette, J. 27 WAS 10 1+1=2 0 3 15.55
Gilroy, Matt 29 FLA 16 1+1=2 6 -2 16.25
Fraser, Mark 27 EDM 42 1+1=2 76 -15 15.37
Strachan, Tyson 29 WAS 18 0+2=2 28 -2 17.33
Falk, Justin 25 NYR 21 0+2=2 20 -5 11.98
Sulzer, Alexander 30 BUF 25 0+2=2 8 -3 18.13
Murray, Douglas 34 MTL 53 0+2=2 42 -12 14.35
Smith, Derek 29 CGY 14 0+1=1 2 -10 9.53
Rome, Aaron 30 DAL 25 0+1=1 11 -6 13.09
Alberts, Andrew 33 VAN 10 0+0=0 0 1 7.39***
I don't vote yet, cus i don't know how much there would be free cap space if we trade Berglund or Leopold, would that be enough for our debt 7th/8th deffender. Also would that Regner sign means he will be notes 8th deffender and could Brent be call up deffender like Brookband were in last playoffs against us or do we need better D-man for that? I'm bit confused
Sorry my bad english.
I hope it's Leopold.
I don't think Berglund's going anywhere given what Army has hinted at, and Paajarvi is Hitch's project (which I have no problem with, I think he'll be quite good in a bottom six role).
Dump him off for whatever you can get.
I don't think Berglund's going anywhere given what Army has hinted at, and Paajarvi is Hitch's project (which I have no problem with, I think he'll be quite good in a bottom six role).
Dump him off for whatever you can get.
Majorityof1
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I don't vote yet, cus i don't know how much there would be free cap space if we trade Berglund or Leopold, would that be enough for our debt 7th/8th deffender. Also would that Regner sign means he will be notes 8th deffender and could Brent be call up deffender like Brookband were in last playoffs against us or do we need better D-man for that? I'm bit confused
Sorry my bad english.
No need to apologize for the English. It was understandable and infinitely better than if I tried to post in Finnish or Swedish
En tiedä mitään Suomen ja olisi kääntäjä. That is from google translate, but hopefully it makes you feel better as I am sure it is not at all accurate Regner is an AHL defenseman. He was signed for depth there. He could be a call-up in case of extreme injury, but we would need a 7th guy. He would be the 8th guy at best. I'd even prefer another AHL signing for a better 8th, unless Edmundson or the like improve. The idea of trading Leopold would be to get another D at around $750,000-$1M. It would have to be a guy like Coliacavao who has something to prove or a older guy who wants one last cup run. That would save us $1.25-1.5 million for $7.5 total to sign the two. Trading Berglund gives us excess clearing $3.7 for a total of almost $10M. Paajarvi provides the least relief with $1.2M. We can actually save 900k if we put him in the AHL somehow without losing him to waivers.
ChicagoBlues
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Well-reasoned. I voted Leopold, but the salary that needs to go is Berglund's.
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Think they should ship out Paajarvi and Leopold, Berglund can only go if a suitable replacement is coming back, which we know they wont.
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I want to get Schwartz and Sobotka in under the cap. I think it's fairly reasonable to think we can make that happen. Schwartz isn't getting above 3 with his zero leverage, and I don't think Sobotka can justify more then 3 as well. I see both of them getting around 2.5-3 million AAV. If for whatever reason this doesn't happen, there's no way we send anyone away but Leopold. He's making far too much to sit in the pressbox.
Call-ups cost nothing. Bringing a guy up for a week is like 200 dollars against the cap. Not to mention when you put a guy on IR you gain cap relief while that guy is on the IR. So say Steen goes on the IR for 2 weeks, and we bring up Jaskin. We're actually helping create more cap room in that situation, as Steen's cap hit saved is far more substantial then Jaskin's cap hit while on the big club.
The one area having almost zero cap space will hurt is if we try to make a deal. But by then a lot of things can happen, and we're hopefully looking at soon-to-be UFAs where salary can be retained if necessary.
I don't want to trade Berglund, we finally seem to have a lot of skilled depth on this roster, with very few passengers. It seems silly to start dismantling that already.
Call-ups cost nothing. Bringing a guy up for a week is like 200 dollars against the cap. Not to mention when you put a guy on IR you gain cap relief while that guy is on the IR. So say Steen goes on the IR for 2 weeks, and we bring up Jaskin. We're actually helping create more cap room in that situation, as Steen's cap hit saved is far more substantial then Jaskin's cap hit while on the big club.
The one area having almost zero cap space will hurt is if we try to make a deal. But by then a lot of things can happen, and we're hopefully looking at soon-to-be UFAs where salary can be retained if necessary.
I don't want to trade Berglund, we finally seem to have a lot of skilled depth on this roster, with very few passengers. It seems silly to start dismantling that already.
Look, you won't get an argument out of me to keep him. Like I said, I love the guy. He is much more valuable to us here than we would probably get in a trade. However, from a business perspective, do they want a 3.5mill cap hit on a possible 4th line player?
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You only get cap relief from LTIR which is 10 games or 24 days. Call ups for brief periods add up much quicker than you would think. Using Porter's 700k and a 180 day season or example. It costs approximately $3900 a day to call Porter up. If you have to call him up for two weeks that's 55k. Now say you have a rash of injuries and call up porter for 3 weeks(89k), plus two weeks of that you have Jaskin(60k) and Edmondson(57k) called up as well. With none of the players they are replacing eligible for LTIR that would be 206k towards the cap.
I think this, but I'd be alright sending Leopold somewhere. He was basically supposed to be Shatty's partner and that never really panned out.
We still have 6m in space though, so if we can sign Schwartz and Sobotka to reasonable deals and put Sobotka on the 3rd or 4th line we should be set.
Sobotka on 4th:
Steen Stastny Oshie
schwartz Lehtera Tarasenko
Berglund Backes Jaskin
MPS/Reaves Sobotka Lapierre
Backes is so good as a defensive center that I can't see the value of putting him on RW and we basically roll 3 lines equally so it could make sense.
Sobotka on 3rd:
Steen Stastny Backes
Schwartz Lehtera Tarasenko
Berglund Sobotka Oshie
MPS/Reaves Lapierre Jaskin
If I had to bet, Berglund gets dealt at deadline or draft next year with a so-so year or if they want to make room for Rattie. I think his NTC kicks in next year.
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I'm not saying moving Leopold would be bad, but what player replaces him and how much does he cost?
With the cap rising and guys like Engelland and Stoner signing for 3+ million, I'm not confident the Blues can get a decent #7 for cheaper. There are basically useless players they can get for cheaper, but they don't currently have a #8, either. They needed a good 7 AND 8 last year. If they're going without a #8, I don't know how they can justify downgrading #7.
If there's a team who thinks Leopold can be an everyday player and they're willing to trade back a cheaper #7 who is nearly as good or the Blues can make a sweetheart signing, sure, but how confident are you that's available? Leopold is not a luxury right now.
With the cap rising and guys like Engelland and Stoner signing for 3+ million, I'm not confident the Blues can get a decent #7 for cheaper. There are basically useless players they can get for cheaper, but they don't currently have a #8, either. They needed a good 7 AND 8 last year. If they're going without a #8, I don't know how they can justify downgrading #7.
If there's a team who thinks Leopold can be an everyday player and they're willing to trade back a cheaper #7 who is nearly as good or the Blues can make a sweetheart signing, sure, but how confident are you that's available? Leopold is not a luxury right now.
I voted for Paajarvi and Leopold.
To me, Paajarvi only has one spot in this linep, 3rd line LW and I don't dislike him there, I just think that we have other more versatile options. However, I don't like him on the 4th. I want my 4th liners to bring the pain and he doesn't really do this. I would miss his speed however.
I think we keep Berglund, Sobe is to valuable on faceoffs. I think Cole may have more value than Leopold but I think his salary makes him a bigger target to dump.
With that said, I wouldn't mind Lappy as someone who is moved. I know that I might be in the minority for that, but to me Sobe can take his 4th line center spot, handle key faceoffs, PK and move up to other lines if needed.
I wouldn't mind seeing us get a physical right handed 6th/7th D-man. Someone who is hard to play against. Not sure who that person would be though.
To me, Paajarvi only has one spot in this linep, 3rd line LW and I don't dislike him there, I just think that we have other more versatile options. However, I don't like him on the 4th. I want my 4th liners to bring the pain and he doesn't really do this. I would miss his speed however.
I think we keep Berglund, Sobe is to valuable on faceoffs. I think Cole may have more value than Leopold but I think his salary makes him a bigger target to dump.
With that said, I wouldn't mind Lappy as someone who is moved. I know that I might be in the minority for that, but to me Sobe can take his 4th line center spot, handle key faceoffs, PK and move up to other lines if needed.
I wouldn't mind seeing us get a physical right handed 6th/7th D-man. Someone who is hard to play against. Not sure who that person would be though.
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Robb_K
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Ideally, Leopold and Berglund should be traded for a young, tough 3rd pairing defenceman, with high upside. The latter's salary will be low enough for The Blues to re-sign Schwartz and Sobotka, and leave about $1.5-2 million for the trade deadline, in case of too many injuries to be handled by current team depth.
But, realistically, IF the above can't be accomplished, I would hope that both can be re-signed and ALL The Blues can be retained. If not, - then Leopold should be traded off (even despite his limited NTC) to one of the 10 teams on his list, for a draft choice, to clear the needed salary cap space.
But, realistically, IF the above can't be accomplished, I would hope that both can be re-signed and ALL The Blues can be retained. If not, - then Leopold should be traded off (even despite his limited NTC) to one of the 10 teams on his list, for a draft choice, to clear the needed salary cap space.
