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I don't understand how some people can take Colaiacovo avoer Komisarek. I'm not a Homer but Komi seem to be a better player then Carlo...
You obviously are a homer.Freaky Habs Fan said:I don't understand how some people can take Colaiacovo avoer Komisarek. I'm not a Homer but Komi seem to be a better player then Carlo...
Leafaholix said:I find it strange how some people choose Loui Eriksson over Alexander Steen.
Especially when they're really basing it on one being a Leafs prospect and the other not being a Leafs prospect. It's odd because I'm sure most of the people choosing Loui over Steen haven't seen either play... or haven't followed Eriksson.
Leafaholix said:Especially when they're really basing it on one being a Leafs prospect and the other not being a Leafs prospect.
nurminen31 said:Forgot to hand compliments to Modano=Dud. Great thread!
Alexander Steen was primarily the reason why Loui Eriksson put up 7 points in the playoffs. He started the season off as one of the top scorers in the Elite League when his coach decided to put him on the third line with a couple guys who were role players. Apparentely, Eriksson had a lot of bad games where as Steen seemed to play at a relatively high level either defensively or offensively in every game.Modano = Dud said:I've followed both, I checked the recap/boxcore after each Frolunda game, I've done my research over the course of the season. I've asked Swedish insiders for info. I've even seen some video clips of Frolunda and Loui. That's as close as you can follow a team and its including players without watching.
The fact why I think Steen is getting more votes is not because he is a Leafs prospect, that's quite ignorance to say. In fact, he's getting a lot more hype than Loui and his name is mentioned on a more frequent base here at HF. Why I think people would or could vote for Loui, is that at a younger age (1 year, 2 months and 16 days to be exact), he is nearly providing the same impact for his team. That, while getting seemingly less icetime. Loui scored 8 goals in 46 games (gpg 0.174) in his rookie season. Alexander Steen didn't score more untill his 3rd season in the SEL, scoring 10 goals in 48 games (gpg 0.208). That, and Loui was an instant force and crucial member of Frolunda in his rookie playoffs, something Steen didn't exactly was untill again, his 3rd season n the SEL.
Loui Eriksson's rookie year:
Season ... 46 games - 08 goals - 05 assists for 13 points (ppg of 0.283)
Playoffs .. 10 games - 01 goals - 06 assists for 07 points (ppg of 0.700)
This was mostly with very limited time on the lower lines (as most rookies usually start out in the SEL), but Loui appeared to make something happen whenever he was on the ice, clearly making the most of his time. His icetime increased as the season went on, and finished the season on a very strong note, while continueing that line in the playoffs. As a result, Loui was named the SEL rookie of the year.
Alexander Steen's rookie year:
Season ... 26 games - 00 goals - 03 assists for 03 points (ppg of 0.115)
Playoffs .. 10 games - 01 goals - 02 assists for 03 points (ppg of 0.300)
Alexander Steen's sophomore season, actually his first full season in the SEL:
Season ... 45 games - 05 goals - 10 assists for 15 points (ppg of 0.333)
Playoffs .. 16 games - 02 goals - 03 assists for 05 points (ppg of 0.313)
The fact remains that these two are Sweden's #1 and #2 prospects. That is why I made the comparison in the first place, as well as being teammates. It isn't strange to prefer Loui over Steen, the difference is far to close to say that. All that said, I did vote for Steen too, but only because he is increasing his totals every season and seems like the safer bet for now. Loui has yet to show that his outstanding rookie season wasn't a fluke.
Leafaholix said:Alexander Steen was primarily the reason why Loui Eriksson put up 7 points in the playoffs. He started the season off as one of the top scorers in the Elite League when his coach decided to put him on the third line with a couple guys who were role players. Apparentely, Eriksson had a lot of bad games where as Steen seemed to play at a relatively high level either defensively or offensively in every game.
I've been following Frolunda religiously over the last 2 seasons... and Steen's become an apparent star in Sweden. Not at the level of Forsberg or Sundin, obviously, but he's been touted as the most promising Swedish player.
I also find it unfair to use Steen's stats as a 17 year old, as you have... and used Eriksson's statistics as an 18 year old.
Alexander Steen...
Season: 2002/2003
Age: 18 years, 7 months (first game of season)
Regular season: 45 games, 5 goals, 10 assists, 15 points
Playoffs: 16 games, 2 goals, 3 assists, 5 points
Loui Eriksson...
Season: 2003/2004
Age: 18 years, 3 months (first game of season)
Regular season: 46 games, 8 goals, 5 assists, 13 points
Playoffs: 10 games, 1 goal, 5 assists, 6 points
It could also be said that Steen was in the SEL at age 17 and Eriksson was not.
It's strange when Montreal Canadiens fans select Loui Eriksson over Alexander Steen. I'm willing to be that 9 out of 10 Montreal fans haven't seen or even followed Loui Eriksson like you have and I have.Modano = Dud said:The fact that Steen was playing in the SEL at the age of 17 and not Loui is irrelevant. If anything, he already got a taste of what to expect in his first full season, yet he only posted 2 points more, while scoring less. It would be fair using both their seasons as an 18 year old like you said, but then I wouldn't understand why it is "strange" for one to pick Loui above Steen. There's not enough room between the two to warrant saying something like that..
Leafaholix said:It's strange when Montreal Canadiens fans select Loui Eriksson over Alexander Steen. I'm willing to be that 9 out of 10 Montreal fans haven't seen or even followed Loui Eriksson like you have and I have.
Leafaholix said:It's strange when Montreal Canadiens fans select Loui Eriksson over Alexander Steen. I'm willing to be that 9 out of 10 Montreal fans haven't seen or even followed Loui Eriksson like you have and I have.
This thread is basically a popularity thread for a lot of people (including me) who haven't seen every single one of these prospects play. It all goes by scouting reports and player analysis' from fans who do watch them play on a regular basis.
And if that is true, then Steen should win decisively at this point.
No offence to Lou, because I've been a fan since watching him score that goal on Marc-Andre Fleury in an exhibition game vs. Canada last December. Extremely skilled player I think.
How is it irrelevant ?Modano = Dud said:The fact that Steen was playing in the SEL at the age of 17 and not Loui is irrelevant. If anything, he already got a taste of what to expect in his first full season, yet he only posted 2 points more, while scoring less. It would be fair using both their seasons as an 18 year old like you said, but then I wouldn't understand why it is "strange" for one to pick Loui above Steen. There's not enough room between the two to warrant saying something like that..
There is a definate homerism in everybody... but to select a player because his opponent in a poll is a rival prospect is beyond homerist. I'm sure a lot of Habs fans (and even Leaf fans) would look at a thread like this and select Eriksson over Steen... or Schremp over Kastsitsyn.Beakermania said:And its not strange when you pick Coliacovo (shown little in any of his NHL games) over Komisarek (who looked real good in the playoffs).
We all have a bit of homerism in us, so don't be so critical when it u see it someone else.
P.S. i did go Steen over Loui
Leafaholix said:There is a definate homerism in everybody... but to select a player because his opponent in a poll is a rival prospect is beyond homerist. I'm sure a lot of Habs fans (and even Leaf fans) would look at a thread like this and select Eriksson over Steen... or Schremp over Kastsitsyn.
Not because they truly feel player x is better then player y, but because they hate a certain team player y represents.
Nothing new, but it really pisses me off.