Gretzky the greatest offensive player ever.
Bobby Orr the greatest player ever.
Now, I would agree with this.
I would take Bobby over Gretz.
And Gordie as the overall greatest player. Three zones, defense, offense, power play, penalty kill.
Gretzky the greatest offensive player ever.
Bobby Orr the greatest player ever.
Now, I would agree with this.
I would take Bobby over Gretz.
And Gordie as the overall greatest player. Three zones, defense, offense, power play, penalty kill.
There are only two names that are mentioned for best player ever and Beliveau isn't one of those names. Number 4 Bobby Orr.
Now, I would agree with this.
I would take Bobby over Gretz.
And Gordie as the overall greatest player. Three zones, defense, offense, power play, penalty kill.
Yes!!!
I was never all that impressed with Gretzky. Yes his ability to create offense was & is unparalleled but he didn't do anything else- no PKing and zero defense. Hell opponents couldn't even breathe on him so he had all the time & room in the world to do his thing. Plus his peak years were in the offensively wide open 1980s when defense was an afterthought for a lot of teams. Give me Orr & Howe over him 7 days a week.
Hard to say no PK as Gretzky is the all-time leader in short-handed goals.
This. It can be argue that Beliveau wasn't even the best ever player on his TEAM, nevermind the best ever in the league.
Yes!!!
I was never all that impressed with Gretzky. Yes his ability to create offense was & is unparalleled but he didn't do anything else- no PKing and zero defense. Hell opponents couldn't even breathe on him so he had all the time & room in the world to do his thing. Plus his peak years were in the offensively wide open 1980s when defense was an afterthought for a lot of teams. Give me Orr & Howe over him 7 days a week.
C'mon. Who, on MTL, was greater, for the longest period of time, than Jean Beliveau?
MTL always had great, great players, but think about it.
Jean Béliveau - Wikipedia
So now you have already put qualifiers (the bold) on it that taint the answer. But here's one - Rocket Richard. More peak years than Beliveau, and actually the first man to score 50.
By the way, Orr wasn't the "greater, for the longest period of time" Bruin. That is most certainly Ray Bourque. Is Ray Bourque the best ever player for the Bruins?
So now you have already put qualifiers (the bold) on it that taint the answer. But here's one - Rocket Richard. More peak years than Beliveau, and actually the first man to score 50.
By the way, Orr wasn't the "greater, for the longest period of time" Bruin. That is most certainly Ray Bourque. Is Ray Bourque the best ever player for the Bruins?
I recall Gretzky could whine with the best of them. Plenty of talent but the whining was annoying.Yes!!!
I was never all that impressed with Gretzky. Yes his ability to create offense was & is unparalleled but he didn't do anything else- no PKing and zero defense. Hell opponents couldn't even breathe on him so he had all the time & room in the world to do his thing. Plus his peak years were in the offensively wide open 1980s when defense was an afterthought for a lot of teams. Give me Orr & Howe over him 7 days a week.