NeedleInTheHay
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Ovi with 3 more rockets?
Not a chance, age will see to that.
We're already seeing the decline this year, and it will only get worse.
Who will retire with more individual awards: Crosby or Ovechkin?
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Ovi with 3 more rockets?
Not a chance, age will see to that.
We're already seeing the decline this year, and it will only get worse.
Forgot 2 really big trophies in Sid's case. The really tall one that is awarded at the end of the season.
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I said 1-3, that doesn't mean 3 on the dot. And yes, the guy is top 10 in goals even though he couldn't shoot the puck for 2 months. Huge decline.
No no. I read it. It's just a moot point. Ovie can finish his career with 20 Richard trophies. It's all good. But it's all fairly meaningless until he wins the big cahoona
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Yeah. Remember that time Trent Dilfer mocked Dan Marino during his HOF acceptance speech?
When has anyone ever looked at an all time great and talked about his Calder win?
More than anyone ever talked about the Frito Lays/State Farm/Jiffy Lube Messier Leadership award, that's for sure
Crosby's award totals will always come with that asterisk. How many seasons did he tear up the league but miss too many games to get the art ross or rocket that would probably have been his?
Then again, his Conn Smyth should have an asterisk, too. I think it really should have been Kessel's, but they gave it to Crosby as a consolation prize for losing it to Malkin the last time around.
Then again, his Conn Smyth should have an asterisk, too. I think it really should have been Kessel's, but they gave it to Crosby as a consolation prize for losing it to Malkin the last time around.
In this particular case you have to remember that Ovechkin had to beat Crosby for the Calder. So yes, it kind of means something. Crosby had a great rookie season, Ovechkin's was incredible. I think a lot of people don't remember just how terrible the Washington roster was for the first few years of Ovechkin's career. He was really a one-man scoring machine.
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You do that and then you have to strip him of his first Rocket and give that to Ovechkin. Likely Ovechkin gets the Hart and Lindsay that year too. Good chance at the Art Ross as well.
Voight
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Its going to be tough for Crosby to win another scoring title. In '14 there wasn't much competition, but now you have Kane, Marchand, Backstrom, Kucherov, Scheifele,, Malkin, Panarin etc plus the young stars like Matthews, LD McDavid, Marner and Laine.
This.
And you know what, people talk all the time about Bourque winning the Calder instead of the more deserving Gretzky. It is basically the only "offensive" award Gretzky never won.
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Ovechkin gets the 09 ross, 10 ross+rocket+hart if not for a couple of flukey missed games.
It's strange how people want to give Crosby fantasy rosses/harts in seasons he was the PPG leader after 30 games, but they don't give the same benefit to Ovechkin even though he was the leader over 70+ games.
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I'd guess the same. I don't see Sid winning enough to catch back up at this point. It's certainly possible though. Given health and staying with the line he's with right now, I wouldn't rule out some more for Sid.
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You can't just say that injuries don't matter. Forsberg likely could have been considered even more legendary than he already is if he wasn't plagued with injuries, same with Lindros. When you get injured enough that it affects your legacy it sucks, but it is a part of the game. Ovi plays a rough game and hasn't had that problem, and that's part of what makes him that much greater of a player.
Obviously or he would have won.
It was a pissing contest between the WHA and the NHL that screwed Gretzky. He lost because he had played "professional" hockey.
If this was still the case today, neither Matthews, Nylander or Laine would be eligible.
I still don't see the point. They weren't in competition for the best in the world that year and the calder is clearly a lesser award. If you're comparing the trophy case of two players, I've never seen the value in using it.
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Shocking, but I just looked and this is Crosbys points totals last seven years...
66
37
56
104
84
85
84 (so far)
One season was great - but other than that, nothing really that impressive or "best on the planet". Injuries are a major part of it - but the numbers are still the numbers.
Don't be surprised in 2 years when Crosby is ovi's age he's also in the 70 point range. It's close to that already.
66
37
56
104
84
85
84 (so far)
One season was great - but other than that, nothing really that impressive or "best on the planet". Injuries are a major part of it - but the numbers are still the numbers.
Don't be surprised in 2 years when Crosby is ovi's age he's also in the 70 point range. It's close to that already.
