Who gets paid more? Point or Marner? And how much?

[Swedish Gretzky]

It seems as though Leafs are having to pay a premium to sign their own restricted free agents, despite other teams signing their players at reasonable or 'home town discounted costs'

This is even after tge fact that Leafs are able to pay their players largely in bonuses which significantly lowers the tax rate to the point where taxes are significantly reduced.

Having said this, how much do you think Marner will get compared to Brayden Point?

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[Legion34]

It seems as though Leafs are having to pay a premium to sign their own restricted free agents, despite other teams signing their players at reasonable or 'home town discounted costs'

This is even after tge fact that Leafs are able to pay their players largely in bonuses which significantly lowers the tax rate to the point where taxes are negligible.

Having said this, how much do you think Marner will get compared to Brayden Point?

Prove that the tax difference are negligible. Show your work

 

[LeafalCrusader]

Marner signs 11x6
Points signs 9x8

Which sucks and doesn't make sense but I'm sure is going to happen.

 

[BayStreetBully]

Point is absolutely destroying the NHL in scoring right now, but for some reason the media never puts out those “Will Point now get $13 million?” articles the way they do weekly for Matthews and Marner.

 

[hamzarocks]

Marner gets paid more while being a slightly inferior player.

10x8 for marner
8.5x8 for point.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Why does a signing bonus lower the tax rate?

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

Prove that the tax difference are negligible. Show your work

I too have been hearing this but would like to see how it works exactly.

 

[Legion34]

I too have been hearing this but would like to see how it works exactly.

Spoiler. It doesn’t.

 

[ToneDog]

Point should get more but he is negotiating against a budget team who's top player is making 9.5. Marner is negotiating against a rich team who's top players are making 11 and 11.6.

 

[Swedish Gretzky]

Spoiler. It doesn’t.

It does.

 

[Marshy]

We pay more here. We also give most of the money up front...because reasons.

 

[gamer1035]

Marner cause Stevie Y gets good deals, dubas gets bent over.

If point was a leaf and Marner was in Tampa, point would get more.

Marner gets less term and more money.

 

[Legion34]

It does.

Prove it

 

[IPS]

Why Point?

Rantanen is the main comparison that should be looked at going into Marner's negotiations.

Point should be getting paid a lot more than Marner. But he won't.

 

[BayStreetBully]

Point should get more but he is negotiating against a budget team who's top player is making 9.5. Marner is negotiating against a rich team who's top players are making 11 and 11.6.

Interesting how increased salaries due to cap percentage only applies to Leafs players and no one else.

Players don’t care whether their comparable is a teammate or on another team. They will use whatever argument helps them most. Dubas should be doing the same, and not caving to the bogus “I should be paid the same as Matthews” argument. Instead, Dubas should let Point (and Rantanen) sign first, and then be insisting that Marner is not worth Point’s (and Rantanen’s) money.

 

[Matthews34]

I voted Marner because Dubas is a worst negotiator than Homer Simpson

 

[Matthews34]

Marner cause Stevie Y gets good deals, dubas gets bent over.

If point was a leaf and Marner was in Tampa, point would get more.

Marner gets less term and more money.

Except Stevie Y isn't GM anymore

 

[Legion34]

Marner cause Stevie Y gets good deals, dubas gets bent over.

If point was a leaf and Marner was in Tampa, point would get more.

Marner gets less term and more money.

Stevie Y isnt the GM..... But he didnt invent tax laws so Tampa is still ok

 

[ACC1224]

Marner cause Stevie Y gets good deals, dubas gets bent over.

If point was a leaf and Marner was in Tampa, point would get more.

Marner gets less term and more money.

Yzerman doesn't work there anymore.

 

[Advanced stats]

Marner will get more and it will be so "worse deal"

But it's not a Dubas issue.

It's vastly a Toronto media issue. They talk up our young guys and love to drive the hype train.

Twice a week there's a terrible article stating that "Toronto player ____ is worth $$$$$$$$$$"

If these players were resigning in Florida or Carolina would they get paid a premium? Heck no.

 

[ACC1224]

It seems as though Leafs are having to pay a premium to sign their own restricted free agents, despite other teams signing their players at reasonable or 'home town discounted costs'

This is even after tge fact that Leafs are able to pay their players largely in bonuses which significantly lowers the tax rate to the point where taxes are significantly reduced.

Having said this, how much do you think Marner will get compared to Brayden Point?

Can you expand on that?

 

[Eternal Leaf]

Tax implications make things difficult to compare.

If signed in the same market, Point would get more than Marner and rightly so. With the tax issue, Marner may end up signing at a similar or higher cap hit.

 

[Matthews34]

Marner will get more and it will be so "worse deal"

But it's not a Dubas issue.

It's vastly a Toronto media issue. They talk up our young guys and love to drive the hype train.

Twice a week there's a terrible article stating that "Toronto player ____ is worth $$$$$$$$$$"

If these players were resigning in Florida or Carolina would they get paid a premium? Heck no.

That being said it's up to Dubas to set the price and not bend. Is it a risk yes but nothing ventured nothing gained. If he showed more fortitude and let Nylander sit the season I bet the Matthews and Marner camp would be changing their tone but he lost the game of chicken and now is paying for it across the board. I expect the Marner contract to come in at 11.616 x 5.

Dubas also could have called out the Toronto media for inflating contracts with their constant focus on Toronto RFAs but choose to be nice guy and be cordial with the media. Dubas should be held accountable for all his contracts he gives out.

 

[HomerJLeafs]

#marnerjar

 

[Marshy]

Agents want to use comparables when it suits their clients.

Does Marner deserve Kucherov money + inflation? Of course not. Will he get it? Probably.