I think we move. I think we move 7 of this list: Kane Teows domi AA, Johnson Mcabe mitchel Lafferty and RAddisyh. Radisyh and lafferty have to have more value to someone them us. with the Cap flat next year those contracts would look great on a contender. and would upgrade most teams bottom 6.
Proposal: Who gets moved?
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FlameChampion
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Haven’t heard much at all about Toews for the last while. He’s out with non Covid sickness.
Leads the league in faceoff wins, Cup "leadership" Gm's can't seem to clean off their chins fast enough, productive at his historic norms (50-60 point pace) on a putrid team, sound defensively....all the things contenders pay a premium for in a couple of weeks. Unlesss Toews pigeon holes us into only a specific destination with his NMC, he is bringing at the least a 2nd and B+ prospect. Several teams out there could use him as their #2 center and at worst if he is your #3, you have a pretty loaded team and are going deep.
He ain't worth the 10.5 (honestly never really was) he makes, but don;t mistake that with him not being a useful player still.
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50% retained on Toews should net us a 2nd I would think minimally or a late first with some salary taken back. Kaner should garner us a late 1st and an A- to B+ prospect. At least that's my story and I'm sticking to it!
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I find it a bit overly dramatic and strange that T and K are waiting to the last minute to decide. Not like they haven't known this was coming for roughly a year or so. And it is only for 3-4 months max. I (along with tens of thousands of others)were stationed for a few years overseas without PJs to fly me around or back home. I am sure they will survive. Oh the horror lol!
assuming teows comes back and looks healthy I think there value is roughly the same. guys that can win draws, play D and chip in goals (IE 3rd line centers on a contender) have as much value as a 2nd line scoring wing that is not not good DEF and cannot PK. I think basically a 2024 1st for both.
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I think Domi stays and I think Kane and Toews both stay.
I think Domi stays and I think Kane and Toews both stay.
They are not waiting as much as the Hawks can't trade them now with their cap hit and the cap space most teams that would be interested in them have available. Each game played between now and the deadline has a signifiacnt reduction in cap implications making it easier for an acquiring team to fit their cap hits (even with retention....those are numbers). Kane nor Toews because of their contracts will not move until the deadline (or maybe with a game or two left to play before) and there is ZERO benefit to announcing you are moving them. The players don't want the nonstop daily speculation that would create (ramped up from what they currently get exponentially).
Putt Pirate
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I get that. I am more mentioning T and K making up their mind than the salary cap stuff. If they had decided earlier a trade could have been constructed waiting on the right time. Them still not having made up their mind leads teams to look elsewhere when they are ready aka Rangers.
You asked Eddie for examples. I’ll give it a shot.
A) They see Mitchell as a 7th/8th Dman but have several kids they feel have more NHL upside that need the time in Rockford. Used to be some teams would have a guy like him run the PP and get almost no ES ice time. Now nearly all teams have a top pair guy on the #1 PP.
personally I think Mitchell has played better the few weeks. I’m sure they don’t just have him eating nachos. They likely talk about what he saw from above.
B) Seth Jones is a #1 Dman. (32 of them)
Whether he ranks 12th or 32nd is a legit question but he’s a one. I’m not sure how his contract gets worse. IIRC there were 2 Dmen making 9mill or more when he signed. I believe there are 5 now and as the cap rises salaries in his range will be the norm. By year 4 or 5 expect at least 30 making 9 mill. You would be a joke to be eating 2 mill. He’s also a quality person, you have a lot of kids to run through the ranks over the next 2-3 years.
C) Caleb Jones is not as good as Mitchell offensively but he’s not awful (for a 3rd pair guy). He is however significantly better than Mitchell defensively (it’s not close). He’s a place holder and doing fine at it (as a 3rd pair on a tanking team).
D) Johnson is what he is. Nothing has changed because of this season. He plays sparingly on a winner. Nobody wanted him. He signed for the minimum which matches his minimal value.
E) You don’t control where Kane re-signs and shutting him down against his wishes would be a pr nightmare. Especially since we’re aware he has had the issue for years and he laughed it off (hurts less than last year).
F) it takes 2 (and sometimes 3 - the player) for trades to happen.
G) asking for help from make believe ghosts is silly. I one existed why would it help you and let the Leafs lose for 50 years?
H) I’m pro fighting but exactly what top rate talent will enforcers be defending?
I) you develop talent at the bottom of the lineup as well. (Personal opinion) 1/2 the reason Entwistle looks bad is he’s a “potential” 4th liner playing 2nd & 3rd line much of the time.
But more important, (again I’m pro fighting) if you derive joy from the fights knowing the goons will always get the extra minor I question if you know how players develop. Personally I don’t want to see them shorthanded 1 to 3 more times per game and which guys are you putting out to absorb the retribution?
J) I think in most games the Hawks are tough to play against. They have no/minimal talent but they play hard, forecheck in earnest with mixed result (do to lack of overall talent).
But I guess you f you’re only watching for the fights that’s not enough.
The team is about where I thought it would be like n October and considering Kane’s status that’s not bad.
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The rangers noted the higher price for Kane. It’s also rumored a team has a deal in place.
Kane wants to make sure his destination has a legit shot of winning. Injuries happen, if Panarin goes down for the year tomorrow what are Tarasenko’s chances of a cup?
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Domi and Lafferty to Edmonton for Puljujarvi Foegel and 1st
Kane at 50% to Carolina for 1st
McCabe at 50% to Toronto for 1st
Toews at 50% to Colorado for 3rd
Anthanasiou to Boston for 4th
Resign Domi 5mil for 3 years
Sign Gavrikov 5 million 4 years
Future Considerations for Mantha and 3rd
Reichel-Domi-Mantha
Kurashev-Johnson-Puljujarvi
Blackwell-Dickinson-Raddysh
Katchouk-Entwistle-Foegele
Johnson
Gavrikov-Jones
Jones-Murphy
Johnson-Mitchell
Mrazek
Stauber
Another top 3 pick.
Kane at 50% to Carolina for 1st
McCabe at 50% to Toronto for 1st
Toews at 50% to Colorado for 3rd
Anthanasiou to Boston for 4th
Resign Domi 5mil for 3 years
Sign Gavrikov 5 million 4 years
Future Considerations for Mantha and 3rd
Reichel-Domi-Mantha
Kurashev-Johnson-Puljujarvi
Blackwell-Dickinson-Raddysh
Katchouk-Entwistle-Foegele
Johnson
Gavrikov-Jones
Jones-Murphy
Johnson-Mitchell
Mrazek
Stauber
Another top 3 pick.
You can’t build a big enough shelter to ensure Jack Johnson has trade value. In my opinion he is the worst player on this team which is no easy feat and he may very well be the worst player on an NHL deal. He makes me yearn for the glory days of Nikita Zadorov.
I guess we can see waht san jose gets meier. that is going to be a big Comp for CAT. top 10 pick a high 2nd and 4th.
I’m jonesing for a trade. Just give me a small one
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Dater is always iffy at best. However, with Toews being “sick” and now on IR, this doesn’t shock me. Perhaps his fatigue issue is back, or being made worse by something else. At this point, I wouldn’t be shocked to see him retire at the end of the season. He really doesn’t look like he has anything left.
