Discussion in 'National Hockey League Talk' started by User9992, Jun 10, 2021.
Who are the Top 10 Goalies since 2010 by an order?
Is Price undisputed #1?
No he’s not but he’s in the discussion. He only has 1 Vezina and never been to the cup final, doesn’t have the best stats etc. He’s the most talented, most accomplished is VERY arguable
1.-3. Rask, Rinne, Lundqvist, in any order.
Not even close if we are being objective.
There is no "undisputed #1" goaltender over that time frame.
I'd lean towards Lundqvist at #1 because of his performance from 2010 to 2016, especially when you look at his playoff resume during that time span.
You also have Rask, Rinne and Price who can make a claim for that position, I just feel Lundqvist was far too consistent.
Price was a bit too inconsistent outside of his peak. Over the last four years he has been below a .910 three times. .900 in 17-18, .909 in 19-20, and .901 in 20-21. He was also a .905 in 12-13. To put it in perspective, Lundqvist didn't have a season below a .910 until he was 37 years old, Price had 4 by the time he was 33.
Why .910, I'm using that because that is typically around the league average in SV%. It's usually around a .910-.912 if I recall correctly.
I'd have Price in the top-3 / top-5 for sure. #1 undisputed is an extremely bold claim.
Thankfully that makes 10. There's a solid 5-10 goalies that could be argued to fit in at #11 but it seems like there's a gap after these guys.
Vezina winners and runners up 2011 - 2020
Thomas, Rinne, Luongo
Lundqvist, Quick, Rinne
Bobrovsky, Lunqvist, Niemi
Risk, Varlamov, Bishop
Price, Rinne, Dubnyk
Holtby, Bishop, Quick
Bobrovsky, Holtby, Price
Rinne, Hellebuyck, Vasilevskiy
Vasilevskiy, Bishop, Lehner
Hellebuyck, Rask, Vasilevskiy
I’d go with the 8 guys who won Vezinas besides Thomas and add Bishop and Quick. I’d probably have MAF in the conversation, but he is on the outside looking in. Nobody has dominated the time period in question. Who the best is up for debate.
in alphabetical order:
Fleury: First in Wins, First in SO, 19th is sv%, 6th in GAA. 100 games min.
MAFs Save %
Price’s eye test talent and the fact that he plays for one of the most popular teams in the league may overhype him a bit (does this thread even exist if he spent his career in Arizona?). His MVP season is certainly something he has over other goalies. That being said, he doesn’t separate himself statistically, only has 1 Vezina, and there are other goalies with superior playoff success. This is a hard ranking where you could make an argument for a number of guys.
If he spent his career in Arizona?
He’s generally played on mediocre to decent teams throughout his career. How would this thread look if he had spent his career in Washington?
I think you missed my point lol. I’m talking about fandom and media coverage in a place like Montreal vs a place like Arizona, not about quality of teams
How would this thread look if Lundqvist was drafted by Chicago, Pittsburgh, L.A., Washington, Boston, etc.?
You can make that argument for a number of goaltenders.
Unfortunately, both Price and Lundqvist were drafted by organizations that couldn't put it together.
You look at Fleury, Quick, Rask, Rinne, etc, and I believe all of them played for better organizations than the other two. There is no doubt in my mind that if either Lundqvist or Price were drafted by the upper echelon of organizations that they would have at least another Vezina or two under their belt and probably a Cup or two.
Price is the only one to have a Hart in this stretch. That being said a little inconsistent.
NHL Goalie Stats in Last 10 Seasons
Bishop, Crawford, Dubynk, Schneider are a few guys deserving of mention that will probably get overlooked due to recency bias. I doubt many will select Dubynk, but statistically close.
4th games played
9th in wins
10th in GAA over 400 games
9th in SVP over 400 GP.
The debate will be influenced by whether you skew toward guys that ended the 2010's in their prime, or look strictly at results within that 10 year period.
Price is possibly top-5
Certainly not #1
Lundqvist, Rask, Crawford, Quick, Bishop, Fleury, Bobrovsky, Price, Rinne, Holtby (not in order)
HM: Luongo, Vasilevskiy, Hellebuyck (all because they have played fewer seasons)
Corey Crawford was easily one of the top 5 goalies of era but voters robbed him of much deserved Conn Smythe and generally ignored him in Vezina voting
And as seen here people continue to underrate him
Outside of handful of games his career essentially was 2010-11 season thru 19-20 seasons
Career Regular Season
.918 Sv Pct
.918 Sv Pct
2 Stanley Cups (2013 + 2015)
2 Jennings Trophies (2013 + 2015)
2x All Star
2010-2011 NHL All Rookie Team
Price has the #1 peak but has been inconsistent/injured. Lundqvist have 3 of his 5 Vezina nominations before 2010.
1. Pekka Rinne
2. Carey Price
3. Andrei Vasilevskiy
4. Henrik Lundqvist
5. Tuukka Rask
6. Jonathan Quick
7. Sergei Bobrovsky
8. Braden Holtby
9. Ben Bishop
10. Marc-Andre Fleury
Thought experiment: deep in his soul, would Henrik Lundqvist trade places with this man?
Gibson with zero love. I take him over some of these guys
Nothing against the guy, he’s a good goalie. But he didn’t become a starter until the later half of the decade. While guys like Rask, Lundqvist, Rinne were starters throughout it.
If Corey Crawford isnt on your list I’d like you to take a look at his career and hear your stupid reasons why.
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