GDT: Which players disappoint you the most at the 2024 World Junior Championships?

[57special]

Ohgren looks pretty ordinary, to me. Not fast, was easily ridden into the boards, ineffectual on offense, considering how much PP TOI he got. Didn't seize opportunities.

 

[Unfriendly Ghost]

Savoie

 

[Mathieukferland]

I thought the defence was fine to be honest

They were fine at defending. Outside of Warren, no huge gaffes that lead to scoring chances. However, they absolutely killed transition and team speed with imprecise puck movement

 

[LeProspector]

They were fine at defending. Outside of Warren, no huge gaffes that lead to scoring chances. However, they absolutely killed transition and team speed with imprecise puck movement

And even Warren was pretty good for the most part until the Czechs, doing very good at nullifying chances coming into the zone

 

[majormajor]

It is interesting comparing a tiny player who translates to higher levels (Stankoven) and one who doesn't (Dumais) and how they differ.

What higher levels? The Czech roster is full of middle lineup CHLers that Dumais normally dunks on. Same with most of the players Canada has played against in earlier games.

I really think the kid was just terribly nervous. I'm disappointed in his composure, the idea that he isn't skilled enough to score against these opponents is too hard to believe.

Edit: funny enough but I thought Dumais looked a lot like Stankoven in stealing pucks all tournament. That made me more optimistic about his NHL possibilities.

I think he has a high likelihood of being a career AHL top liner like a Rocco Grimaldi.

AHLer wouldn't surprise me, but history has shown us that the WJC is not the best predictor of that.

 

[GoBoltz56]

Canada

 

[EK47]

Sandin-Pellikka.

 

[Kaners PPGs]

Sandin-Pellikka.

Did you misread the title of this thread?

 

[MrCreamm]

Dumais, didn't light it up at all, and wasn't very noticeable, he needs to become faster. Poitras, wasn't a key factor and seemed like he held onto the puck too long and tried to do too much alone. Savoie couldn't hit the net at all and was not a dynamic offensive talent, he did a decent job on the forecheck but that was all. I think Geekie was pretty good, not a gamebreaker but still, better than his other linemates. While Celebrini did great on the 3rd line in hindsight I just wish they put the guy on Geekies wing or have him be 1C and put him with Rehkopf and whatever other scorer you want.

2023 guys like Yager, Rehkopf, Wood, Danielson had moments of being good but had a smaller role so it's kinda hard to get much valuable insight into these guys when they're not in the top 6, which is the bane of the WJC as not all players get equal opportunities. Danielson woulda got a more important role if he was lighting up the WHL like he should be as a returner but he played quite well in the bottom 6.

 

[Fantomas]

Michkov zero points

 

[CaptainShark]

Michkov zero points

Hey, copyright infringement (see post #6)

 

[cg98]

Poitras

Guy somehow produces 12 pts in 29 games with the Bruins, a pretty respectable number for a guy who's a U20 2nd rounder all things considered.

He was mediocre at best in this tournament. Soft af, held onto the puck and didnt use his linemates, constantly tried to dangle or just skate through opposing D and clearly didn't showcase NHL ability in a junior tournament. I was very disappointed in his performance here after watching his first quarter of the season in Boston, even if the production and sustainability dried up in November he shouldve done much more than what he did at this tournament.

The whole forward core. Outside of Celebrini, Yager, Wood, Rehkopf and Geekie, they all f***ng sucked. Minten, Cowan, Dumais, Savoie, Warren all had miserable tournaments.

 

[abo9]

AHLer wouldn't surprise me, but history has shown us that the WJC is not the best predictor of that.

Its funny bc so many people think Poitras had a bad tournament yet is 0.5 ppg at the NHL level this year... seems like the prime example to show that a bad tournament means anything

I mean, Poitras could still flounder, but its funny nonetheless

 

[Fantomas]

Its funny bc so many people think Poitras had a bad tournament yet is 0.5 ppg at the NHL level this year... seems like the prime example to show that a bad tournament means anything

I mean, Poitras could still flounder, but its funny nonetheless

What I think it shows is that guys who are in the NHL are not necessarily the best players.

The NHL is a peculiar league in the way teams often like to play really their young guys while sheltering them. They often do this even even when the players aren't ready for prime time, just to give them a taste of the culture, so they can learn from the veterans. I think Poitras is one of those cases, which is not to take anything away from him. But he's not necessarily better than many of the top prospects in this tournament who are otherwise playing in junior, college or European professional leagues.

He's never been seen as a top prospect and this tournament has reminded us that he's not.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Sandin-Pellikka.

He has been fantastic...

 

[LeProspector]

He has been fantastic...

in what world???

oh wait… forgot to read your username.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

in what world???

oh wait… forgot to read your username.

you think he hasn't been?

 

[Chainshot]

Team Canada's coach.

Playing Celebrini for 16 minutes and Rekhopf for under 10 minutes after they were the 2 best players the previous game is mind-boggling. Not dressing Firkus was questionable.

Dumais, Beck, Cowan, Minten, Allard, and Danielson were all varying degrees of useless, yet they continued to get fed ice-time.

Agreed on Letang. It's hard to point at any non-Celebrini forward for the Canadians on a game by game basis and think that player was good over the tournament. The lineup didn't work and it didn't work that it didn't work, yet it wasn't until the very last game that the HC made any adjustments. It's not even like a couple guys would be going and he'd shorten his bench into those guys on a line, it was just always the same play killers rolling out over and over again.

 

[hockeyprospects9]

Anton Wahlberg, he’s just worse than I expected him to be.

Bystedt, because the guy is the most nonchalant player I’ve seen.

 

[Petes2424]

Poitras

Guy somehow produces 12 pts in 29 games with the Bruins, a pretty respectable number for a guy who's a U20 2nd rounder all things considered.

He was mediocre at best in this tournament. Soft af, held onto the puck and didnt use his linemates, constantly tried to dangle or just skate through opposing D and clearly didn't showcase NHL ability in a junior tournament. I was very disappointed in his performance here after watching his first quarter of the season in Boston, even if the production and sustainability dried up in November he shouldve done much more than what he did at this tournament.

The whole forward core. Outside of Celebrini, Yager, Wood, Rehkopf and Geekie, they all f***ng sucked. Minten, Cowan, Dumais, Savoie, Warren all had miserable tournaments.

The reason is pretty simple. He thinks the game at a very high rate of speed, and most 18-19 year old players, are still playing from a physical skill point of view. They don’t yet “think the game” at an NHL level.

It’s the most underrated subject on this site, when it comes to prospects, and their ability to EVER play in the NHL. It’s also why many eligible players decline invitations. It’s still a tournament that’s pure skill in many ways. Several really good hockey players, have had this issue during this tournament. They’re already thinking the game much quicker than most of these kids..

It’s a skill you have to have to play in the NHL, but it’s sometimes a detriment, if you’re playing with players who aren’t “thinking the game” 2-3 plays ahead of what’s currently happening on the ice. Also, the exact reason many kids who play well at World Juniors, never end up playing, or playing well at the NHL level. It’a also why kids like Minten, Poitras, Sandin-Pellikka, Gautier, Leonard, Danielson, and a few others, don’t dominate in an under 20 format. Watch Sweden tomorrow. ASP is constantly making a pass, and you’ll see him race to a spot, but nothing happens, as many of those Swede forwards, still only think what’s between them and the net, and not their entire surroundings.

It’s one of the major things, most of these players haven’t developed yet. Many times in this tournament, players like Poitras, Minten and Danielson, were thinking too far ahead, for some of their teammates. Just a very basic example, they’d make a pass in traffic, and immediately slide to an open spot, putting themselves in positions to score, and whoever they gave the puck to, had no clue what was expected. They’d take a low percentage shot, try to make a play, etc, etc, but missed the play someone like Poitras was expecting, because they were thinking Poitras was only getting rid of the puck because he was in traffic. Happened a lot to Danielson and Minten too. Leonard and Gautier are having similar issues.

It’s why Poitras, Minten and Danielson look very good playing with NHL players, but don’t dominate junior leagues. Remember what Bedard said about Danielson. That’s because he thinks the game at a really elite level. There’s literally not another player on Brandon’s roster, Danielson can play with, and be at his best. McQueen is getting there, but it has to be very frustrating. He and Detroit, should push for a trade to a team like Saskatoon, where they now have players like Minten, Molendyk, etc, who do think the game at high levels.

Those 3 should’ve played together a lot. That one is on the staff. It also hurt not having Molendyk too. You’re not gonna win a lot of tournaments, depending on one dman so much, like it seemed they did.

On the flip side, there’s a couple of players people seem to think had a great showing, who likely put up some red flags with their NHL teams, because the only thing they really showed was they can play really well, when they’re bigger, stronger or faster than players in their age group. Who didn’t make some plays they should’ve made, because they weren’t “thinking the game” like they should be, even at this age.

 

[Cake Eater]

The reason is pretty simple. He thinks the game at a very high rate of speed, and most 18-19 year old players, are still playing from a physical skill point of view. They don’t yet “think the game” at an NHL level.

It’s the most underrated subject on this site, when it comes to prospects, and their ability to EVER play in the NHL. It’s also why many eligible players decline invitations. It’s still a tournament that’s pure skill in many ways. Several really good hockey players, have had this issue during this tournament. They’re already thinking the game much quicker than most of these kids..

It’s a skill you have to have to play in the NHL, but it’s sometimes a detriment, if you’re playing with players who aren’t “thinking the game” 2-3 plays ahead of what’s currently happening on the ice. Also, the exact reason many kids who play well at World Juniors, never end up playing, or playing well at the NHL level. It’a also why kids like Minten, Poitras, Sandin-Pellikka, Gautier, Leonard, Danielson, and a few others, don’t dominate in an under 20 format. Watch Sweden tomorrow. ASP is constantly making a pass, and you’ll see him race to a spot, but nothing happens, as many of those Swede forwards, still only think what’s between them and the net, and not their entire surroundings.

It’s one of the major things, most of these players haven’t developed yet. Many times in this tournament, players like Poitras, Minten and Danielson, were thinking too far ahead, for some of their teammates. Just a very basic example, they’d make a pass in traffic, and immediately slide to an open spot, putting themselves in positions to score, and whoever they gave the puck to, had no clue what was expected. They’d take a low percentage shot, try to make a play, etc, etc, but missed the play someone like Poitras was expecting, because they were thinking Poitras was only getting rid of the puck because he was in traffic. Happened a lot to Danielson and Minten too. Leonard and Gautier are having similar issues.

It’s why Poitras, Minten and Danielson look very good playing with NHL players, but don’t dominate junior leagues. Remember what Bedard said about Danielson. That’s because he thinks the game at a really elite level. There’s literally not another player on Brandon’s roster, Danielson can play with, and be at his best. McQueen is getting there, but it has to be very frustrating. He and Detroit, should push for a trade to a team like Saskatoon, where they now have players like Minten, Molendyk, etc, who do think the game at high levels.

Those 3 should’ve played together a lot. That one is on the staff. It also hurt not having Molendyk too. You’re not gonna win a lot of tournaments, depending on one dman so much, like it seemed they did.

On the flip side, there’s a couple of players people seem to think had a great showing, who likely put up some red flags with their NHL teams, because the only thing they really showed was they can play really well, when they’re bigger, stronger or faster than players in their age group. Who didn’t make some plays they should’ve made, because they weren’t “thinking the game” like they should be, even at this age.

Minten was dogshit, worst captain in Canadian WJC since…?

 

[Mathieukferland]

Minten was dogshit, worst captain in Canadian WJC since…?

Maxime Comtois

 

[Hockeyville USA]

The reason is pretty simple. He thinks the game at a very high rate of speed, and most 18-19 year old players, are still playing from a physical skill point of view. They don’t yet “think the game” at an NHL level.

It’s the most underrated subject on this site, when it comes to prospects, and their ability to EVER play in the NHL. It’s also why many eligible players decline invitations. It’s still a tournament that’s pure skill in many ways. Several really good hockey players, have had this issue during this tournament. They’re already thinking the game much quicker than most of these kids..

It’s a skill you have to have to play in the NHL, but it’s sometimes a detriment, if you’re playing with players who aren’t “thinking the game” 2-3 plays ahead of what’s currently happening on the ice. Also, the exact reason many kids who play well at World Juniors, never end up playing, or playing well at the NHL level. It’a also why kids like Minten, Poitras, Sandin-Pellikka, Gautier, Leonard, Danielson, and a few others, don’t dominate in an under 20 format. Watch Sweden tomorrow. ASP is constantly making a pass, and you’ll see him race to a spot, but nothing happens, as many of those Swede forwards, still only think what’s between them and the net, and not their entire surroundings.

It’s one of the major things, most of these players haven’t developed yet. Many times in this tournament, players like Poitras, Minten and Danielson, were thinking too far ahead, for some of their teammates. Just a very basic example, they’d make a pass in traffic, and immediately slide to an open spot, putting themselves in positions to score, and whoever they gave the puck to, had no clue what was expected. They’d take a low percentage shot, try to make a play, etc, etc, but missed the play someone like Poitras was expecting, because they were thinking Poitras was only getting rid of the puck because he was in traffic. Happened a lot to Danielson and Minten too. Leonard and Gautier are having similar issues.

It’s why Poitras, Minten and Danielson look very good playing with NHL players, but don’t dominate junior leagues. Remember what Bedard said about Danielson. That’s because he thinks the game at a really elite level. There’s literally not another player on Brandon’s roster, Danielson can play with, and be at his best. McQueen is getting there, but it has to be very frustrating. He and Detroit, should push for a trade to a team like Saskatoon, where they now have players like Minten, Molendyk, etc, who do think the game at high levels.

Those 3 should’ve played together a lot. That one is on the staff. It also hurt not having Molendyk too. You’re not gonna win a lot of tournaments, depending on one dman so much, like it seemed they did.

On the flip side, there’s a couple of players people seem to think had a great showing, who likely put up some red flags with their NHL teams, because the only thing they really showed was they can play really well, when they’re bigger, stronger or faster than players in their age group. Who didn’t make some plays they should’ve made, because they weren’t “thinking the game” like they should be, even at this age.

McQueen and Roersma have been pretty good offensively for Brandon, Danielson has mildly underwhelmed outside of a couple games, but he looked good in preseason for the Red Wings and had a decent World Junior with the exception of not finishing on enough plays (whether it be passing or shooting)

 

[GettingYourMoms]

Snowman(Hrabal) and Kulich.

 

[JRichard]

Beck 1 point, 8 shots.
12th Canada forward with 5gp