Where would Bo Horvat slot into your teams C depth

[WilliamNylander]

Exactly. Guys like @Holymakinaw and @WilliamNylander are beauties. This is fantastic entertainment watching these guys troll away, just wish our Canuck brothers would enjoy it instead of getting annoyed by it

I had no idea you could tag people on here.

 

[Icebreakers]

Sure he is. Two 32-goal, 61 & 55 point seasons say so. Another 55 point season is about to happen.

Horvat Scores fewer goals, gets fewer points, and isn't as tenacious or as good defensively.

Kadri is 3C on the Leafs. Horvat doesn't take that away from him.

Kadri doesn't even kill penalties. He's worse all around.

 

[joe dirte]

It’s not true at all. If your 4th line center is on pace for roughly 70 ish points, you’d have a dynasty. If you want to say he hasnt gotten there yet, then yes that’s fair. But then your also arguing Matthews is not a first line center as well since he has only had a career high of 69 points, no?

But if you were to take a player playing on the 1st line, and drop him to 4th line, he's not going to score the same number of points. Not remotely close, in fact.

It's the Matt Stajan example from earlier. when Sundin was on the team, and Stajan was behind him, he scored 30 to 35 points a year. Sundin left, and since the Leafs had no one deserving of a first line centre role, Stajan got the job. He scored nearly 60 points 2 years in a row. When he got pushed down the depth chart in Calgary, he immediately went back to being a 30 point player.

Same thing is going on with Horvat.

 

[Bedards Dad]

3 or 4 in Toronto. Bo and Kadri would be interchangeable based on what you want. In a year or 2 it may be Bo 3 and Kadri 4, but not this year.

 

[Foppberg]

Very, very few teams wouldn't have him at least as their #2.

Leafs @ #3 behind JT/AM
Penguins @ #3 behind Sid/Geno
Caps @ #3 behind Backstrom/Kuzy
Tampa Bay @ #3 behind Stamkos/Point

Maybe Florida behind Barkov/Trochek

Outside of that, he's probably everyones #2C at the least.

 

[CP4]

3 or 4 in Toronto. Bo and Kadri would be interchangeable based on what you want. In a year or 2 it may be Bo 3 and Kadri 4, but not this year.

Nah it would be this year, as a matter of fact if the Leafs were to aquire him today he would play right away at 3C or top 6 wing.

 

[Bedards Dad]

Nah it would be this year, as a matter of fact if the Leafs were to aquire him today he would play right away at 3C or top 6 wing.

Disagree.

 

[WalkwithElias]

Disagree.

Of course. But I can probably guarantee you don’t watch Horvat, so your decision is either based off of :
1) hate for the Canucks
2) don’t watch anything other then the leafs

 

[WalkwithElias]

3 or 4 in Toronto. Bo and Kadri would be interchangeable based on what you want. In a year or 2 it may be Bo 3 and Kadri 4, but not this year.

Imagine having a 70 point player as your 4th line C. Man you’d put those 80’s Oiler teams to shame !

 

[WetcoastOrca]

3 or 4 in Toronto. Bo and Kadri would be interchangeable based on what you want. In a year or 2 it may be Bo 3 and Kadri 4, but not this year.

Nope. Horvats a much better player.
It’s not even close at this point. Kadri is just not near the same level of player anymore either offensively or defensively.

 

[Bedards Dad]

Of course. But I can probably guarantee you don’t watch Horvat, so your decision is either based off of :
1) hate for the Canucks
2) don’t watch anything other then the leafs

Could literally say the same about you and the Leafs.

 

[Bedards Dad]

Imagine having a 70 point player as your 4th line C. Man you’d put those 80’s Oiler teams to shame !

52 = 70?

Imagine taking a 20 goal scorer over a 30 goal scorer.

 

[SmellOfVictory]

Imagine having a 70 point player as your 4th line C. Man you’d put those 80’s Oiler teams to shame !

While this argument is going on, I think it's worth noting that, regardless of which of the two is actually better than the other, neither of them would be on the 4th line in real life; one would get converted to a winger.

 

[Regal]

But if you were to take a player playing on the 1st line, and drop him to 4th line, he's not going to score the same number of points. Not remotely close, in fact.

It's the Matt Stajan example from earlier. when Sundin was on the team, and Stajan was behind him, he scored 30 to 35 points a year. Sundin left, and since the Leafs had no one deserving of a first line centre role, Stajan got the job. He scored nearly 60 points 2 years in a row. When he got pushed down the depth chart in Calgary, he immediately went back to being a 30 point player.

Same thing is going on with Horvat.

Interesting that Kadri couldn't even score that much when he was forced up the lineup and played more minutes on a bad team then

 

[WalkwithElias]

While this argument is going on, I think it's worth noting that, regardless of which of the two is actually better than the other, neither of them would be on the 4th line in real life; one would get converted to a winger.

Trueeee

 

[Volica]

Would be Calgary’s 2C, would make Backs the 2C... would also make us a monster team

 

[WalkwithElias]

52 = 70?

Imagine taking a 20 goal scorer over a 30 goal scorer.

What??

This season he’s on pace for 52 points and 20 goals??

 

[Regal]

52 = 70?

Imagine taking a 20 goal scorer over a 30 goal scorer.

Because pace isn't a thing and Matthews can't top 70 points right? Don't use the crappy arguments other people use against the Leafs on other players

 

[Rowlet]

Because pace isn't a thing and Matthews can't top 70 points right? Don't use the crappy arguments other people use against the Leafs on other players

how is pace "not a thing"? are you disputing the existence of data points taken over time? time doesnt exist to you?

 

[CP4]

how is pace "not a thing"? are you disputing the existence of data points taken over time? time doesnt exist to you?

I think he's being sarcastic.

 

[Rowlet]

I think he's being sarcastic.

I'm curious as to how time doesnt exist tho, maybe this means I've never been late to work after all

 

[WalkwithElias]

I'm curious as to how time doesnt exist tho, maybe this means I've never been late to work after all

He’s using it as an example because most leaf posters use it as a way to discredit other players. They say ‘pace doesn’t mean anything’ and ‘until he actually hits that total he’s nothing more then a xx player’ all while ignoring Matthews. By that logic he is nothing more then a 69 point player.

 

[Regal]

I'm curious as to how time doesnt exist tho, maybe this means I've never been late to work after all

This isn't relevant due to the sarcasm, but time is merely a construct of the observer anyway

 

[Appleyard]

Very, very few teams wouldn't have him at least as their #2.

Leafs @ #3 behind JT/AM
Penguins @ #3 behind Sid/Geno
Caps @ #3 behind Backstrom/Kuzy
Tampa Bay @ #3 behind Stamkos/Point

Maybe Florida behind Barkov/Trochek

Outside of that, he's probably everyones #2C at the least.

With the Flyers it depends... right now Giroux is back at C, and has been for ~8 games, with Couturier at 2C.

But if they had Horvat my guess would be they moved Giroux back to wing.