When will Crosby permanently eclipse Ovechkin in total points?

[bobholly39]

People still trying to find a way to prove OV is better. LOL

Here is the TSN top 50 rankings from 2010 - 2018 ( I don't believe they did it prior to 2010 )

2018 Crosby #2, Ovechkin #12
2017 Crosby #2, Ovechkin #22
2016 Crosby #1, Ovechkin #8
2015 Crosby #1, Ovechkin #5
2014 Crosby #1, Ovechkin #12
2013 Crosby #1, Ovechkin #7
2012 Crosby #1, Ovechkin #2
2011 Crosby #1, Ovechkin #2
2010 Crosby #1, Ovechkin #2

Give it a rest people, it's always been Sid.
And the fact that he is only a few points behind Ovechkin in 141 less games played, should put this to rest for good.

And as for the original question, Sid may never catch OV in points. But he doesn't have to. He's already cemented himself as the better player.

I think crosby is better too but the non-biased impartial tsn media is probably not the best path to argue so....

 

[JustinCase]

I think crosby is better too but the non-biased impartial tsn media is probably not the best path to argue so....

Doing a quick look at others top lists, they are all pretty similar from Sportsnet to NHL.com

 

[Foppberg]

When it's all said and done, Ovi will have more points. Mostly because I think he'll have a longer career and Sid will retire relatively early. 36, 37.

 

[authentic]

Since the 13-14 season Sid has played exactly 10 less games than Ovechkin so durability isn't really an issue.

Player Season Finder | Hockey-Reference.com

Crosby is also younger.

Really surprised that over 70% are saying never.

This board is super high on Ovechkin right now which is understandable because of the Cup win and his super hot start this season but it's fooled many into thinking he's better than Crosby now but he's not.

 

[Midnight Judges]

05/06: OV
06/07: Crosby (not close)
08/09: Ovechkin
09/10: Ovechkin
12/13: Crosby
13/14: Crosby (not close)
14/15: Ovechkin (close)
15/16: Crosby (not close)
16/17: Crosby (not close)
17/18: OV
18/19: OV (Season is not over yet)

In 4/5 seasons when Crosby was better it wasn’t close

In 0/5 seasons when Ovechkin was better, it wasn’t close.

I like how when Ovechkin outscores Crosby by 21 goals and 16 points per season for a three year stretch it's considered close.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

I don't think he's had the better career, but one thing they claim is that you can't just look at their points per game averages and use that as a basis for who's been better without distinguishing between primary and secondary points.

They have a point in that regard, but I'm not one who totally disregards secondary points.

Secondary points/assists are a narrative used to discredit Crosby when he's compared to Ovechkin or playmakers who rack up more points compared to goal scorers. Something about them being "random" or "unsustainable", yet that logic kind of twists itself into the ground seeing as they also say Crosby has somehow accrued so many of these 'random' and 'unsustainable' secondary assists. Over such a large sample size like 1000 games careers, this "noise" or "randomness" should even itself out, you would think.

Crosby, being more of a playmaker gets more of his points from assists, which can be either primary or secondary, so obviously more of his points will be secondary assists.

 

[Nadal On Clay]

I like how when Ovechkin outscores Crosby by 21 goals and 16 points per season for a three year stretch it's considered close.

What about playoffs?

 

[Midnight Judges]

What about playoffs?

Ovechkin was better in the playoffs as well.

 

[Nadal On Clay]

Ovechkin was better in the playoffs as well.

Nah, not really. The only great round he had was the one agaisnt the Pens in '09

 

[Novak Djokovic]

Look at Crosby's healthy seasons and see who's been better.

05/06: OV
06/07: Crosby
08/09: Ovechkin
09/10: Ovechkin
12/13: Crosby
13/14: Crosby
14/15: Ovechkin
15/16: Crosby
16/17: Crosby
17/18: OV
18/19: OV

Majority of the time OV has been better.

It really is not that simple though. The margin by which Ovechkin beats Crosby in those seasons is a lot smaller. Eg. you're telling me Crosby gets 104 points versus 79 by Ovechkin, and that is the same thing essentially as Ovechkin having a better year compared to Crosby in...14/15 or 17/18?
That's why Crosby is considered the better player in their career, HF or by media.

Now let's not even go into playoffs because that doesn't bode well for Ovechkin.
NHL Playoffs All-Time Points Leaders
(Tip: Yeah, he has played less game, so P/GP column is also there)

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

I mean 14/15 is pretty debatable as to who was the better player same thing with 17/18. 18/19 is not even half way over yet and Crosby always gets hot in the second half of the season.

14/15 and 17/18 weren't debatable at all, check hart voting.

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

14/15 is 81-53-28-81 really better than 77-28-56-84 with 2 way play?

Maybe a wash at best

17/18 and 18/19 it's even better 2 way play for Crosby with slightly better scoring

Aat best a wash but I think it's a clear edge to Crosby, unless one is in a goal heavy fantasy league.

There is no point debating if you think those seasons were close.

 

[Novak Djokovic]

Based on what exactly is Ovechkin having a better year this year? Goals? Crosby's all over the ice dominating teams most night.

Anyhow, these threads are so frustrating. It's good knowing that actual hockey experts outside of HF kinda align similarly to what I've posted. I'm out.

 

[Nadal On Clay]

There is no point debating if you think those seasons were close.

There is no point debating something that has a good and a wrong answer.

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

There is no point debating something that has a good and a wrong answer.

Check the Hart voting and let me know what's the debate.

 

[Midnight Judges]

Nah, not really. The only great round he had was the one agaisnt the Pens in '09

During that span (08, 09, '10 playoffs):

Ovechkin was 1.43 PPG and .71 GPG.

Crosby was 1.35 PPG and .47 GPG.

These numbers are nearly identical to the regular season per game stats from that same time period.

Ovechkin was just plain better. And it wasn't close.

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

During that span (08, 09, '10 playoffs):

Ovechkin was 1.43 PPG and .71 GPG.

Crosby was 1.35 PPG and .47 GPG.

These numbers are nearly identical to the regular season per game stats from that same time period.

Ovechkin was just plain better. And it wasn't close.

Wait wait. Now you're going to be told that Crosby played way more games. Even though when pens fans want to pump his PPG from 11-13 or career, they ignore how many games he missed.

 

[Regal]

Check the Hart voting and let me know what's the debate.

Votes aren't indicative of the gap between players only that one is seen as better

 

[Regal]

During that span (08, 09, '10 playoffs):

Ovechkin was 1.43 PPG and .71 GPG.

Crosby was 1.35 PPG and .47 GPG.

These numbers are nearly identical to the regular season per game stats from that same time period.

Ovechkin was just plain better. And it wasn't close.

Yes, a 6.5 point/82 game gap isn't close because GoALz!

 

[Midnight Judges]

Yes, a 6.5 point/82 game gap isn't close because GoALz!

Indeed, goals are far more valuable than secondary assists.

 

[Nadal On Clay]

During that span (08, 09, '10 playoffs):

Ovechkin was 1.43 PPG and .71 GPG.

Crosby was 1.35 PPG and .47 GPG.

These numbers are nearly identical to the regular season per game stats from that same time period.

Ovechkin was just plain better. And it wasn't close.

OV played 7 games in ‘08 and ‘10 and 14 in ‘09 for a total of 28 games which is only 29 games less than Crosby. He never got past the 2nd round so he also got easier matchups than Sid. He didn’t had to face the mighty Wings of 2008 and 2009 which hurted Crosby’s PPG.

Your stats need some context.

 

[Nadal On Clay]

Check the Hart voting and let me know what's the debate.

Votes aren't indicative of the gap between players only that one is seen as better

Most valuable and best player are two different things.

 

[Regal]

Wait wait. Now you're going to be told that Crosby played way more games. Even though when pens fans want to pump his PPG from 11-13 or career, they ignore how many games he missed.

There's a large difference between a 99 game sample size and a 28 game sample size, and most people don't take Crosby's PPG from that period at face value like Ovechkin's is here. They acknowledge the gap is large enough that reasonable regression still leaves a big gap. Here, any regression wouldn't

 

[Regal]

Most valuable and best player are two different things.

That's true too, though the Hart tends to change depending on the year.

 

[crosby87]

Crosby will probably retire first, so I don't think he'll ever permanently overtake ovechkin