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thats why I think this next year is going to be a "transition" year, unless poile trades for a couple of vets this summer
What's the deal with Ryan Ellis?
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thats why I think this next year is going to be a "transition" year, unless poile trades for a couple of vets this summer
darth5
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I concur these two are close in profile as far as player type. Blum is a little bigger, a little stronger, but I think lower ceiling ultimately than Ellis, who has more creativity, better vision. Organization has to choose one and trade the other I think at some point near future.
deanwormer
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Looking at the bigger picture, are we really gonna' go through a couple years watching 3 of those kids "grow up"? Pick whoever you like of the 4 - I think you can make an argument for any, but 1 playing with KK and the other 2 as 3rd pair? Assuming Ellis has the best longer-term potential, how are we gonna' protect his minutes and get him through the tough matchups while we have 2 other kids growing up at the same time?
If other GMs feel the same way about Ellis, might not be a bad idea to see if we could move him for max value and just see how the other 3 shake out. There's always a Hannan/Cube type we can get as a serviceable 6/7 if Gill wants to go to a contender.
If other GMs feel the same way about Ellis, might not be a bad idea to see if we could move him for max value and just see how the other 3 shake out. There's always a Hannan/Cube type we can get as a serviceable 6/7 if Gill wants to go to a contender.
NoNecksCurse
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He's played very effectively this season for Toronto and has produce well on the powerplay, and is in the top 10 in scoring for a defenseman. He's still playing lower minutes at es but he's playing more physical now.
deanwormer
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Co*y has had several years to get it together - and as noted, he really hasn't - he's pretty much gotten to the top of what most of us would have expected. Today, I think the expectations for Ellis are still quite a bit higher than where Co*y has peaked.
So, sure, if I needed someone to play right now, today, I take Blum over both, I take Co*y over Ellis. But swap them? - No way.
IMHO, Franson is better right now than both. He's better than Ellis defensively and offensively.
I'd still take him over either.
If Ellis reaches his potential, he'll be better but right now, Franson is doing what they're supposed to be doing.
I'd still take him over either.
If Ellis reaches his potential, he'll be better but right now, Franson is doing what they're supposed to be doing.
This year, I agree. 3 years from now, I think Cody will be the worst of the trio.
Viqsi
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That's like asking which you would prefer between, say, Brandon Dubinsky versus Filip Forsberg. Yes, Dubi is scoring more, but he's not going to go much further than he already has. Forsberg has the whole world ahead of him.
StarvinArvyn33
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Franson has always been good. Too bad our fan based tried to mold him into a crease clearing physical stay at home dman. He has and always will be an offensive dman. The kid will be better then Blum, he already is. It'll take a lot for Blum to catch up to Franson as of now.
StarvinArvyn33
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Brian Campbell put up better numbers on Florida then on Chicago. Quality of linemates isnt everything. Especially when you are a dman who mans the point on a PP and posses a deadly shot.
No, it's not. First there's only 2 years difference between Franson and Blum and 2 between Blum and Ellis. Not 10 years.
Next, Franson is in the top 10 in scoring now for defensemen and he's not hit his peak, has plenty of room to grow.
jlsg
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He has 4 goals this year. That's it. He has a quick wrist shot but that's about it. He's making his points by passing to the Leafs front line. Defensively he's mediocre at best.
What Brian Cambell has done really doesn't have much to do with the conversation.
Franson was a classic case of people assuming that we had better when we didn't. With the trade where we had to give him up to get rid of Lombardi's contract, everyone on here said that it was ok since Blum was already better and Ellis was about to be better. Never assume.
jlsg
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FWIW I'm there already. I haven't seen anything that tells me he'll become better in the d-zone.
Viqsi
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He's still playing very selective 5-on-5 minutes (he's on the bottom pairing and will not be moving up - #4 in total ToI among defensemen and that only 'cause of injuries to guys like Gunnarsson, #6 in avg ToI per game) and is getting tons of power play time (he's in the top-5 in 5v4 ToI with Phaneuf, Kessel, Bozak, and JvR - #2 in ToI among defensemen by a huge margin). With that shot of his, of course he's going to have lots of points in a situation like that.
All that's happened is that his niche has been (re)discovered and he's not being asked to do anything outside of that. He's a specialist being told to do nothing other than his specialty.
Ellis doesn't have it nearly as good right now. So the comparison is rather unfair.
Habstract
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Sorry for the bump but I find interesting to read things from barely 2 years ago and then be able to have another look at it.
What do you guys think about Ellis development in the recent years?
What do you guys think about Ellis development in the recent years?
He has steadily improved year to year but this year seems to have taken a big jump. I personally think he just fits the new system really well. His defensive play has improved though and I think he is simply getting stronger and able to handle players along the boards more easily. I hope he is a Pred for a long time and his new contract this offseason should keep him here. I'll be very interested to see how he holds up when playoff time comes around. I don't think it will be an issue but it will be interesting to watch.
Wow this thread is funny. Kind of like looking back at the Erat for Forsberg trade thread. In a word, his development has been ideal.
Bringer of Jollity
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I've been very impressed by his development across the board. His defensive play still has work to go, but is much better than originally advertised, and he continues to grow in confidence on the offensive side. The level of skill in this defensive group, with Ellis one of the standouts in that regard, is simply fantastic.
I don't think a consistent second pairing type role is as much a longshot as it may have seemed at one time. He has the tools to mitigate the lack of size (and he isn't afraid to hit guys, -see Taylor Hall), it's just a matter of whether he can consistently put them together. I know some see both him and Jones as potential trade bait, but I think they're both keepers and very special players, in their own ways.
