Canadiens1958
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lol Ovechkin's team's finished first in the eight team Metro four seasons in a row and you were calling him a "luxurious compiler" or whatever not too long ago.
Discussing Gretzky not Ovechkin.
lol Ovechkin's team's finished first in the eight team Metro four seasons in a row and you were calling him a "luxurious compiler" or whatever not too long ago.
I agree. I merely did the math (above) to show that the supposed claim of Howe's team finishes being superior to Gretzky's was a mathematically wonky supposition. But the goal-posts have now been moved to 'divisions' instead of overall, so I give up...
I wasn't making a statement about one on one ability...
In actual 60 minute, 5 on 5 games of NHL hockey Gretzky had more impressive seasons and a better head-to-head record. More goals, assists, points. More assists than Lemieux has points.
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Lemieux Gretzky Date Result G A PTS +/- G A PTS +/- 06-Nov-84 Oilers 3 @ Pens 3 1 1 1 1 1 -1 12-Jan-85 Oilers 3 @ Pens 4 2 2 Even 3 3 Even 26-Jan-85 Pens 3 @ Oilers 6 1 1 -1 3 1 4 2 22-Jan-86 Pens 7 @ Oilers 4 4 4 Even 1 1 2 -2 07-Mar-86 Pens 3 @ Oilers 5 1 1 -1 2 2 2 26-Mar-86 Oilers 8 @ Pens 3 1 1 -2 1 3 4 3 05-Dec-86 Oilers 4 @ Pens 2 0 -2 3 3 2 24-Jan-87 Pens 2 @ Oilers 4 1 1 Even 1 3 4 3 24-Feb-87 Oilers 2 @ Pens 5 0 Even 1 1 -2 20-Nov-87 Pens 1 @ Oilers 4 1 1 -2 2 2 1 19-Feb-88 Pens 3 @ Oilers 7 1 1 Even 0 Even 12-Nov-88 Pens 2 @ Kings 7 1 1 2 -3 1 1 Even 07-Mar-89 Pens 2 @ Kings 3 (OT) 1 1 2 2 2 2 Even 31-Oct-89 Kings 8 @ Pens 4 2 2 -3 3 3 6 4 10-Feb-90 Kings 6 @ Pens 7 1 1 -1 1 1 Even 26-Feb-91 Pens 2 @ Kings 8 1 1 -3 3 3 1 07-Mar-91 Kings 2 @ Pens 3 2 2 2 1 1 2 1 07-Mar-92 Pens 3 @ Kings 5 1 1 -2 1 2 3 3 11-Mar-93 Kings 3 @ Pens 4 1 3 4 2 1 1 2 Even 06-Nov-93 Pens 3 @ Kings 8 2 2 -2 4 4 3 26-Mar-96 Blues 4 @ Pens 8 5 2 7 3 1 1 -2 16-Oct-96 Pens 1 @ NYR 8 0 -2 2 2 2 16-Nov-96 NYR 8 @ Pens 3 1 1 -1 1 1 2 Even 25-Jan-97 NYR 7 @ Pens 4 0 -2 3 3 1 24-Mar-97 Pens 0 @ NYR 3 0 -1 1 1 2 2 Total (25 games) 11 27 38 -18 15 41 56 23 Oilers-era (11 games) 3 10 13 -7 7 15 22 8 Post-Oilers (14 games) 8 17 25 -11 8 26 34 15
Actually, I don't. I have no issue whatsoever if everyone thinks Lemieux was a better player than Gretzky. I have no argument for that, and I don't disagree with anyone's considered, informed opinion.
What bothers me is when posters resort to "alternative facts" in order to support their opinions. That's when I respond.
And if there were a 120 point season and a 115 point season, would it matter if the guy with 120 points had an extra 2 PPO per game?
Not sure I see this as being a realistic scenario. Any examples of two players who dominated the league but one had way more PPOs?
A little pre-peak for Mario but 86 Pens had about +130 PPO on the 86 Oilers.