What to do with Burmi?

[Mortimer Snerd]

His draft position is irrelevant to me right now, as I'm more concerned with who he is as a player NOW, and what we're paying him for that performance NOW. Why should I care what the Thrashers did with an 8 OA pick - completely irrelevant to me. I'm more concerned with what this version of the franchise is doing with the asset.

Expectations, opportunity, accomplishment.
He is being given an opportunity. He is showing enough to justify continuing the opportunity. He hasn't taken off with it but he seems to be working hard. Their is no outward sign that he is coaching resistant. He certainly demonstrates talent. I'm content to wait somewhat longer to see where he can get to. We don't really have a better option for his position right now anyway. Although it might be interesting to see what Copp could do there and I hope Lowry can get back to what he did last year.

This season is a write-off. If a better developed Burmi emerges it will be some compensation for the pain.

 

[ps241]

Thorburn-Burmistrov-Ehlers
GF: 1
GA: 4
Corsi% 51.8
On-Ice sh% 1.79
On-Ice sv% 0.930
PDO 94.8
PD0 (sh% differential) -5.23

While I agree that Thorburn is not optimal for that line, this line hasn't been bad.

The league's average third line tends to get a 49.3% Corsi, so they are actually better than on average, but getting bad luck in sh%.

While neither Thorburn or Burmistrov are snippers, and Ehlers is a rookie, even if we expected them to be among the worst NHL regulars in sh% driving abilities, we'd expect around a 6% on-ice sh% (a number Thorburn and Burmistrov have never dipped below in their career). Normalize their on-ice sh% and we have 5 GF and 4 GA, an outscoring 3rd line, which is above average.

Burmistrov is not nearly as good as he was prior to the KHL in play driving ability, but he's doing better than the start of the season and since a switch to his natural position, this should lead to the Jets outscoring their opponents, and this third line hasn't been terrible. Especially when given how much of their total TOI they spend with the 3rd pair (more than any other line as a %).

Rational post......Given his low salary I say we roll with him for a while unless someone wants him as a piece in part of a larger trade?

 

[PhilJets]

Let him anchor the 4th line and Copp the third line

PETAN Copp Ehlers 3rd

Lowry Burmistrov Thorburn 4th

 

[10Ducky10]

Where does Armia fit in?

 

[Zhamnov10]

Where does Armia fit in?

I think Maurice has Armia on the left side to see if he could possibly replace Ladd if they let him go.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I think Maurice has Armia on the left side to see if he could possibly replace Ladd if they let him go.

No. Just NO.
We don't know yet that Armia can replace Thor on the 3rd line.

 

[truck]

No. Just NO.
We don't know yet that Armia can replace Thor on the 3rd line.

Anybody can replace Thir on the 3rd line. Thor is a sub replacement level NHLer.

 

[Jetabre]

But can anyone replace his locker room presence? Heart of gold Thorburn is loved by all.

 

[bustamente]

But can anyone replace his locker room presence? Heart of gold Thorburn is loved by all.

I'd rather have a bunch of guys that hate each other and win then a bunch of guys that love each other, get along and lose every game

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

Burmi's game does not seem to fit with the Jets style at all.
There's a bit of flash there but it almost never results in any goals or points. He's pretty decent defensively can really dangle but tends to hang on too long or make passes that his teammates are not expecting because his mind set is "against the grain".

I'd like to see him on the 4th more.
Giving him 2nd line minutes against the Pens was completely undeserved to this point.

I'll cheer for him to be better but I'm not expecting him to get more than 12 or 13 points all season.

 

[voyageur]

Let him anchor the 4th line and Copp the third line

PETAN Copp Ehlers 3rd

Lowry Burmistrov Thorburn 4th

I like this, one line has offensive potential, Copp flanks the two more skilled players well. The other can play a real physical game, and assume more defensive responsibility. Armia is good as a 13th forward to keep the pressure on the others to perform. With this as our bottom 6 we could play a true 4 line game.

 

[KCjetsfan]

That 3rd line gets destroyed most nights.

 

[heilongjetsfan]

Let him anchor the 4th line and Copp the third line

PETAN Copp Ehlers 3rd

Lowry Burmistrov Thorburn 4th

How about we just get whacky:

Lowry- Little - Ehlers
Ladd - Perreault/Petan - Wheeler (was gonna just say Petan, then typo'd Perreault)
Perreault/Petan - Copp - Stafford
Thorburn - Burmi - Armia


Every line with speed, skill, and "heavy." I'm not sure LLE would even be the first line, but Little has been our 1C the whole time, so I wrote it that way.

Tank Jets Tank!

 

[voyageur]

That 3rd line gets destroyed most nights.

If coach doesn't shelter them yes. But I think back to the chemistry that Petan and Ehlers displayed in their first TC paired together with Halischuk in the preseason, and frankly Copp is a better defensive player than Halischuk, so I would expect the talent to show a little. If Petan-Ehlers continue to develop chemistry, perhaps they surpass Perrault-Stafford on the wings next year, with Scheif as their centre. Reality is that Armia is ahead of Petan in terms of development, so maybe he gets first crack on that 3rd/4th. I'd like to see Lowry-Burmi-Thor though. If we want a physical edge, they can really muck it up.

 

[kylbaz]

I like Burmi, but what were you people expecting? He did absolutely nothing in the KHL but you thought he was going to come here and be a star.

I still think they need a legit player on that line. THorburn hasn't been terrible, but there are a lot of areas he lacks in that go unnoticed.

 

[winnipegger]

Barring catastrophic injuries and/or tanking, Petan is staying in the A I believe. I actually think Burmi has shown a lot of improvement since the first game this season. You never know with these russian dudes, he has a lot of skill at handling the puck. Could be a lot of people eating crow a year or two from now.

 

[garret9]

Most (not all) chemistry is just putting better players with better players makes them better.

 

[garret9]

Not the Burmi of old, even remotely, but still better than start of the season:

 

[10Ducky10]

How about we just get whacky:

Lowry- Little - Ehlers
Ladd - Perreault/Petan - Wheeler (was gonna just say Petan, then typo'd Perreault)
Perreault/Petan - Copp - Stafford
Thorburn - Burmi - Armia

Ehlers - Little - Wheeler
Ladd - Perreault - Armia
Lowry - Copp - Stafford
Thorburn - Burmi - Hali

 

[10Ducky10]

The lines I would put out after Scheif gets back.
Ehlers - Scheif - Wheeler
Ladd - Little - Armia
Lowry - Perreault - Stafford
Burmi - Copp - Thorburn

Trouba Buff
Enstrom Myers (Hamonic if I were GM/coach)
Chiarot Postma

Helle Pavs/Hutch

 

[Aavco Cup]

The lines I would put out after Scheif gets back.
Ehlers - Scheif - Wheeler
Ladd - Little - Armia
Lowry - Perreault - Stafford
Burmi - Copp - Thorburn

Trouba Buff
Enstrom Myers (Hamonic if I were GM/coach)
Chiarot Postma

Helle Pavs/Hutch

How are you gonna force Snow to take Myers?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

How are you gonna force Snow to take Myers?

There seems to be a difference of opinion on Myers. I'm not that familiar with Hamonic. Would we want him so badly if he were not a local boy? The way Myers has been playing I'm not that sure I want to trade him. Are we that certain that Hamonic is a significant upgrade? Just wondering.

 

[voyageur]

The lines I would put out after Scheif gets back.
Ehlers - Scheif - Wheeler
Ladd - Little - Armia
Lowry - Perreault - Stafford
Burmi - Copp - Thorburn

Trouba Buff
Enstrom Myers (Hamonic if I were GM/coach)
Chiarot Postma

Helle Pavs/Hutch

I don't mind that, except you will never see Perrault as a centre as long as Maurice is coach. He struggled with down low coverage when he was given that responsibility, which precipitated Lowry taking the 3C position and Perrault's natural progression to 2LW. I also have a hard time understanding how Armia has 0 points in 4 games, suddenly fits into a top 6 role. And there is next to no chance that Postma displaces Stuart. Stuart is relied upon as a PK specialist. He hasn't excelled in the role, but to distribute all the minutes among d-men, we would be pushing Buff north of 25 to compensate, with the expectation that Chiarot and Enstrom also contribute to our PK, as Buff will take his fair share of turns in the box. Postma doesn't figure in this role, nor does he figure in our PP, so my expectation is that if Stuart were displaced, the player who replaces him would be Pardy, for the sake of our PK.

 

[PhilJets]

That 3rd line gets destroyed most nights.

The Jets gets destroyed most night.

It's up to the coach to maximize his lines. I the gets out coach and out match.

Then , he is not a good enough coach.

You got already 2 solid lines

Little and Schiefele line to carry the heavy lifting.

As I always say, this is a matter of personal opinion.

Very good to great players rise to challenge.

Petan Copp and Ehlers are smart enough defensively. The only issue I might have with the line is their physical maturity.

Otherwise, that is the best third line option you have.

Unless you have a combination of any jets players that is not

Ladd. Little wheeler , Schiefele, Pereault , Stafford to play there?

So far base on what's happening this year, can't hurt to try.

 

[KingBogo]

I became much more okay with Burmi, once I stopped having any expectations that he would produce any offence. Which becomes a bit of a problem when I have high expectations (for a rookie) for Ehlers to find his NHL legs and start producing. I'm really stating to hope they rarely if ever play together anymore.