Value of: what pick would the 32nd,58th,60th,63rd,66th picks return ?

[deca guard]

i ask this because detroit between its own 2nd and 3rd , caps 2nd , oils 2nd , sjs 3rd have somewhere near all those draft positions and i wonder how far we could move up ?

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[Mr Tadakichi]

All together? mid 1st maybe? I have absolutely no idea.

 

[themelkman]

Probably like pick 16-23. But it would be a dumb move because your more likely to hit on a couple of those

 

[Meeqs]

Every team has a spreadsheet at the draft that assigns weights to draft picks, so depending on which team there will be a literal pick value for this that a team would have. I would guess it would be like 20ish OA.

Keep in mind draft pick value is pretty exponential and that is about at the crux.

 

[Halla]

mid 1st

 

[shortfuze]

Better to keep the picks and build your depth from them. Better chance you would hit on a couple of them instead of just 1 mid to late first pick.

 

[Toby Flenderson]

There’s a lot of good players in the NHL that were drafted in that range of picks. If I’m Detroit I make all those selections and hope one turns out to be the next Kucherov

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

i ask this because detroit between its own 2nd and 3rd , caps 2nd , oils 2nd , sjs 3rd have somewhere near all those draft positions and i wonder how far we could move up ?

Detroit needs as many swings as possible.

 

[bernmeister]

Better to keep the picks and build your depth from them. Better chance you would hit on a couple of them instead of just 1 mid to late first pick.

concur
expect offers to be more late than mid 1st for several, but all way later, selections

 

[bernmeister]

There’s a lot of good players in the NHL that were drafted in that range of picks. If I’m Detroit I make all those selections and hope one turns out to be the next Kucherov

Detroit needs as many swings as possible.

True, but not all those swings are equal, and not all odds on a later guy becoming productive/meaningful/a star are good.

It's a marginal asset for each pick.

Maybe better to go incremental, i.e., trade later rounds for a mid round.

Or, use as sweeteners in other deals.
So instead of all those picks for the highest single possible selection that can be fetched, instead consider if
say Trouba waives, ok to DET

maybe NY takes partial delayed gratification and does
2021 1st
2020 2nd
as a core for a deal

then it may make sense to include one or a couple of those picks to balance out whatever else is part of a package.

somethin like dat

 

[Patagonia]

Mid 1st & 2nd.

DET is rebuilding and need to keep adding to their farm.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

You can have 15 or wherever the Flames pick

 

[BStinson]

True, but not all those swings are equal, and not all odds on a later guy becoming productive/meaningful/a star are good.

It's a marginal asset for each pick.

Maybe better to go incremental, i.e., trade later rounds for a mid round.

Or, use as sweeteners in other deals.
So instead of all those picks for the highest single possible selection that can be fetched, instead consider if
say Trouba waives, ok to DET

maybe NY takes partial delayed gratification and does
2021 1st
2020 2nd
as a core for a deal

then it may make sense to include one or a couple of those picks to balance out whatever else is part of a package.

somethin like dat

Trouba won’t fetch that return from Detroit.

 

[FissionFire]

True, but not all those swings are equal, and not all odds on a later guy becoming productive/meaningful/a star are good.

It's a marginal asset for each pick.

Maybe better to go incremental, i.e., trade later rounds for a mid round.

Or, use as sweeteners in other deals.
So instead of all those picks for the highest single possible selection that can be fetched, instead consider if
say Trouba waives, ok to DET

maybe NY takes partial delayed gratification and does
2021 1st
2020 2nd
as a core for a deal

then it may make sense to include one or a couple of those picks to balance out whatever else is part of a package.

somethin like dat

Detroit doesn’t make that deal. The 2021 1st will be a lottery pick and has a strong chance of being in the top 10, even with Trouba on the team. That’s way too much to give up for a player who is a luxury for the Wings. That team is at least 3 years away from being anything.

 

[Djp]

i ask this because detroit between its own 2nd and 3rd , caps 2nd , oils 2nd , sjs 3rd have somewhere near all those draft positions and i wonder how far we could move up ?

Very very little

If you had your 2nd and a pick around 40 you might be able to get to 25 or so.

In nhl draft picks mid 2nd and later have lityke value in pick trades outside of small moves.

You could use your 3rd and do 3rd to move up from one of those 2nds a couple of spots.

In 2014 buffalo had top pick in 2nd, two 2nds snd their 3rd and tried to move up into the teens and couldn’t.

 

[666]

There’s a lot of good players in the NHL that were drafted in that range of picks. If I’m Detroit I make all those selections and hope one turns out to be the next Kucherov

Here's a list of players selected between 32 and 66 since 2005 who have played more than 400 games.

Year	Overall	Team	Player	GP	G	A	PTS
2005	35	San Jose Sharks	Marc-Edouard Vlasic	1035	72	254	326
2006	50	Boston Bruins	Milan Lucic	958	206	315	521
2005	44	Colorado Avalanche	Paul Stastny	945	250	476	726
2007	61	Los Angeles Kings	Wayne Simmonds	909	251	248	499
2005	33	Dallas Stars	James Neal	821	289	256	545
2005	62	Pittsburgh Penguins	Kris Letang	808	127	410	537
2009	33	Colorado Avalanche	Ryan O'Reilly	804	195	365	560
2006	54	New York Rangers	Artem Anisimov	752	178	189	367
2008	51	New York Rangers	Derek Stepan	739	167	312	479
2005	42	Detroit Red Wings	Justin Abdelkader	739	106	146	252
2007	43	Montreal Canadiens	P.K. Subban	713	105	321	426
2006	45	Edmonton Oilers	Jeff Petry	680	69	184	253
2009	35	Los Angeles Kings	Kyle Clifford	676	61	71	132
2006	44	Toronto Maple Leafs	Nikolai Kulemin	669	121	153	274
2008	53	New York Islanders	Travis Hamonic	637	37	151	188
2008	38	Nashville Predators	Roman Josi	632	109	304	413
2010	37	Carolina Hurricanes	Justin Faulk	628	90	184	274
2006	36	San Jose Sharks	Jamie McGinn	617	117	103	220
2011	43	Chicago Blackhawks	Brandon Saad	588	169	178	347
2008	55	Minnesota Wild	Marco Scandella	580	42	95	137
2009	60	Detroit Red Wings	Tomas Tatar	575	166	181	347
2009	39	Ottawa Senators	Jakob Silfverberg	558	138	153	291
2009	64	Colorado Avalanche	Tyson Barrie	554	80	266	346
2006	47	Detroit Red Wings	Shawn Matthias	551	90	84	174
2005	51	Vancouver Canucks	Mason Raymond	546	115	136	251
2010	47	Los Angeles Kings	Tyler Toffoli	525	145	155	300
2009	38	Dallas Stars	Alex Chiasson	519	92	94	186
2009	55	Washington Capitals	Dmitry Orlov	516	37	143	180
2011	58	Tampa Bay Lightning	Nikita Kucherov	515	221	326	547
2005	55	Columbus Blue Jackets	Adam McQuaid	512	16	57	73
2011	37	Columbus Blue Jackets	Boone Jenner	489	113	110	223
2008	43	Anaheim Ducks	Justin Schultz	482	50	164	214
2010	66	Tampa Bay Lightning	Radko Gudas	479	26	94	120
2011	47	San Jose Sharks	Matthew Nieto	472	62	89	151
2010	59	Minnesota Wild	Jason Zucker	471	138	117	255
2009	52	Tampa Bay Lightning	Richard Panik	469	84	97	181
2009	66	Buffalo Sabres	Brayden McNabb	466	18	72	90
2010	51	Detroit Red Wings	Calle Jarnkrok	459	81	102	183
2007	58	Nashville Predators	Nick Spaling	437	52	72	124
2012	55	San Jose Sharks	Chris Tierney	436	61	128	189
2012	60	New Jersey Devils	Damon Severson	430	37	126	163
2011	64	Florida Panthers	Vincent Trocheck	427	112	172	284
2011	53	Anaheim Ducks	William Karlsson	410	100	130	230
2011	42	Carolina Hurricanes	Victor Rask	405	70	109	179

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[PullHard]

We need those picks because we need help everywhere

If we had a similar spread 2-3 years from now and our roster was filling out with better depth but we still needed 1 or 2 strong secondary pieces that we thought a pick in the mid/ late first round could land us, it might make sense to consider moving multiple picks in the 2nd and 3rd rounds to a willing partner (not sure there would necessarily be a partner for that kind of deal)

But because the roster is so completely devoid of talent, it is better to throw as many darts at the board as possible for the next couple years and see what comes of that

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Keep the picks.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

Quantity over quality, has Bergevin written all over it, especially seeing as he thinks the draft is just throwing darts

 

[bernmeister]

Detroit doesn’t make that deal. The 2021 1st will be a lottery pick and has a strong chance of being in the top 10, even with Trouba on the team. That’s way too much to give up for a player who is a luxury for the Wings. That team is at least 3 years away from being anything.

If you are lucky and do well, it could be less than 3, like Rangers quick turnaround, if not it could just as easily be 5 yrs ish.

I think DET seriously considers a stud D it has/can readily manufacture cap space for IF
it is a year delayed
and
there is some protection, which I did not add.

Whether or not we can agree on how much protection that should be is a separate ?

Bottom line IMO is if reward-risk is acceptable and there is profit, Wings have to bite --- if not they are on a slow timetable even making all the right moves, which is not guaranteed.

 

[Mrfenn92]

If you are lucky and do well, it could be less than 3, like Rangers quick turnaround, if not it could just as easily be 5 yrs ish.

I think DET seriously considers a stud D it has/can readily manufacture cap space for IF
it is a year delayed
and
there is some protection, which I did not add.

Whether or not we can agree on how much protection that should be is a separate ?

Bottom line IMO is if reward-risk is acceptable and there is profit, Wings have to bite --- if not they are on a
slow timetable even making all the right moves, which is not guaranteed.

Trouba is a nice player, but not a guy they need right now.

 

[CraigsList]

For a team that is rebuilding, use the picks.

 

[phlocky]

I would probably trade the Flyers 1st (around 20th oa) for all those picks but as others have said, I think the Wings should just keep them and fill their prospect pool

 

[lebdafor norris]

Leafs would be more than happy to offer Detroit a serviceable Dman who is currently at his prime age in Martin Marincin for all those picks. No need for Yzerman to take a gamble with something like a mid 1st when we all know a pick like that can tank.

 

[Maverick41]

We need those picks because we need help everywhere

If we had a similar spread 2-3 years from now and our roster was filling out with better depth but we still needed 1 or 2 strong secondary pieces that we thought a pick in the mid/ late first round could land us, it might make sense to consider moving multiple picks in the 2nd and 3rd rounds to a willing partner (not sure there would necessarily be a partner for that kind of deal)

But because the roster is so completely devoid of talent, it is better to throw as many darts at the board as possible for the next couple years and see what comes of that

Maybe I would package 2 of those picks to move up a few spots, if a player I really like is on the board and I want to make sure I get him.
But other than that, keep the picks and trust in your scouting.