What is market value for Jake Gardiner?

[wintersej]

How does Gardiner get under 6 with Sekera, Boychuk and Yandle contracts. Insane to think he is under 6. Dennis Wideman, a point producing + good corsi + brain farts type D signed for 5.25 like 6 years ago.

 

[Sojourn]

Gardiner continues to be the most underrated player on HF. Only bright spot if he leaves will be watching everyone suddenly "see" how good of a D is and how elite of a player he is. All people see is a game 7 but he has two years before that and is off to that start again of just elite play after elite play. Then people will claim it was Leaf fans who were hard on him on here haha.

All due respect, but Gardiner and being an elite player are not combinations that I think we'll ever see outside of Toronto.

You have fun with that.

 

[wintersej]

All due respect, but Gardiner and being an elite player are not combinations that I think we'll ever see outside of Toronto.

You have fun with that.

Remember when a segment of the Toronto fan base would argue that Phaneuf was a #1D?

 

[Sojourn]

Remember when a segment of the Toronto fan base would argue that Phaneuf was a #1D?

And it all came down to him playing hard minutes, and just not being all that good with them.

I don't think Gardiner is more than a #3 on a good blue line. He's a player who is clearly benefiting from playing on one of the best offensive teams in the league, and that suits his style, but that's quite a bit different from being a game driving offensive defenseman who can create that without that kind of situation.

Someone will probably want to pay him 6+. Maybe even as much as 7. I would be livid if that were my team, and I think it's one of those contracts that won't take much time at all for the regrets to start. Some people might want him on their team, but I'm hoping my team's GM stays well away from him.

 

[ER89]

Shea Theodore's like 23

Uh exactly?

 

[ER89]

And it all came down to him playing hard minutes, and just not being all that good with them.

I don't think Gardiner is more than a #3 on a good blue line. He's a player who is clearly benefiting from playing on one of the best offensive teams in the league, and that suits his style, but that's quite a bit different from being a game driving offensive defenseman who can create that without that kind of situation.

Someone will probably want to pay him 6+. Maybe even as much as 7. I would be livid if that were my team, and I think it's one of those contracts that won't take much time at all for the regrets to start. Some people might want him on their team, but I'm hoping my team's GM stays well away from him.

I'd be mote livid if I had keslers corpse

 

[ijuka]

I think Gardiner's market value is 6.5-7.0mil. Mind you, I don't think that that's what he's worth. But market value isn't the same thing as a player's worth. If a D produces, they get paid.

 

[Sojourn]

I'd be mote livid if I had keslers corpse

Oh, riposte. You have put me in my place. What ever will I do with such a witty retort? What an amazing argument about Gardiner's worth.

The grade school equivalent of "I know you are, but what am I?" You, sir, have shown me.

 

[joe dirte]

Obviously, the Leafs are not the only "contenders" in the league though. There's quite a few.

The Leafs are a top 5 -7 team in the NHL, with an improving young core. Very few teams can expect to be top teams for at least the next 5 years. Most of his contract.

 

[joe dirte]

He'll get 6 or 6.5. he might take a discount to stay with the Leafs, but not a huge one. 5.5 or 6 at best.

 

[Kamiccolo]

Remember when a segment of the Toronto fan base would argue that Phaneuf was a #1D?

Remember when Kessel was a cap dump and locker room cancer, and you couldn't win with Kessel when LEaf fans were shopping him on the thread boards?

It goes both ways. And Phaneuf played the hardest minutes in the NHL a few years in a row while putting up 30 poins. He wasn't a star #1 D but was undoubtedly a top pairing D. Yet Leaf fans heard he was a #4 D at best.

 

[joe dirte]

Remember when a segment of the Toronto fan base would argue that Phaneuf was a #1D?

for about 2 or 3 seasons with Toronto he was pretty solid. Not elite or anything, but good for 40 points (or 40 point pace), and played some REALLY tough minutes. He started to fall down the depth chart with the Leafs. Rielly and Gardiner started to get more ice than him by the end of his time with Leafs.

 

[Pyrophorus]

Shea Theodore's like 23

He's comparable to Jake when he was 23.
If he stays that way, what will he get at 28?

 

[Pyrophorus]

Gardiner isn't from Ontario. Tavares is, that's why he signed in Toronto.

Be honest-Do the Wild or the Leafs have a better shot at it?

 

[ER89]

Oh, riposte. You have put me in my place. What ever will I do with such a witty retort? What an amazing argument about Gardiner's worth.

The grade school equivalent of "I know you are, but what am I?" You, sir, have shown me.

I mean ironic considering this reply is a second grade version of... teacher he isn't playing nice.

 

[Skolman]

Be honest-Do the Wild or the Leafs have a better shot at it?

You make zero sense.

Did Gardiner publicly come out and say he wants to return home?

 

[Sojourn]

I mean ironic considering this reply is a second grade version of... teacher he isn't playing nice.

Oh, am I telling on you?

No, no I am not. I don't care. Your response was irrelevant to my point.

 

[Sojourn]

He's comparable to Jake when he was 23.
If he stays that way, what will he get at 28?

At 28, Theodore will still be getting $5.2M.

Vegas took a risk here. Theodore put up the one good season, but I'd argue it was better than Gardiner did at 23. He was a few tenths of a decimal from a 40-point pace, which is something that took Gardiner, what? 5 years? 6? That's beside the point. The real point is that Vegas, despite it being a risk, has guaranteed that Theodore will only cost them $5.2M for the next 7 years. He could put up 40-50 points from this season until the time he's 28, and they would still only need to pay him $5.2M.

 

[McVespa99]

Same reason why Tavares did.

Wants to win a cup in Toronto.

Totally agree. And Nylander, Marner and Matthews will all sign early and for a discount because of the same reason.

 

[Pyrophorus]

You make zero sense.

Did Gardiner publicly come out and say he wants to return home?

You said Tavares ONLY came here because it was home.
I think its because he could get something special.

 

[Pyrophorus]

At 28, Theodore will still be getting $5.2M.

Vegas took a risk here. Theodore put up the one good season, but I'd argue it was better than Gardiner did at 23. He was a few tenths of a decimal from a 40-point pace, which is something that took Gardiner, what? 5 years? 6? That's beside the point. The real point is that Vegas, despite it being a risk, has guaranteed that Theodore will only cost them $5.2M for the next 7 years. He could put up 40-50 points from this season until the time he's 28, and they would still only need to pay him $5.2M.

I guess he'll have to play a full season then.
As I've been told paces are nothing...

 

[Sojourn]

I guess he'll have to play a full season then.
As I've been told paces are nothing...

Paces aren't nothing, but they aren't absolute either. You shouldn't ignore a significant chunk of games that weren't played.

You're right, that Theodore needs to show he can actually follow through on that pace in a full season. But, even with that, he finished with 29 points in 61 games. Jake Gardiner's best season, until 2016-2017, was 31 points. Or, if you want to look at pace, it's 30 points in 75 games.

That leaves Theodore 21 games to surpass Gardiner's highest 32 point pace, and needing only 3 points to accomplish that. It's pretty likely that happens.